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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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we're back with gene and chris on the

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power cast now last week ladies and

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gentlemen as those of you who listen

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though we had rosemary ellen guyley

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talking about her latest book about the

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gin and that has started a very

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set of discussions like frankenstein and

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the villagers with the the the fire

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torches and the

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so basically here if the gin turned up

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we'd probably kill them no

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but the gym would have a field day with

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the villagers

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okay so let me ask you a question then

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if a gin okay is being attacked by a mob

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of people

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what do they do do they use their magic

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to defeat them no maybe some clorox and

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an autoclave

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okay

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honestly i have no idea what you're

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that was a bad joke gene you know

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rosemary has been in the field for 30

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years

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she's helped hundreds and hundreds of

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people she has studied

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all sorts of unusual occurrences that

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have been centered around

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oftentimes

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specific locations i mean the woman's

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written over 50 books she's written nine

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encyclopedias she has a really quite a

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command over the folklore and

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legends and

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interpretations of unusual events that

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stretches back thousands of years

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and i i think that we should at least

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have a listen to what she says she's not

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claiming that she's come up with some

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some some sort of scientific answer

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possibly why i responded uh and jumped

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to her defense uh the way i did and then

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of course was attacked for that was

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because in in many ways i feel that my

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work in

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attempting to identify a mechanism that

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may tie together a paranormal phenomenon

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which i which i feel is a has a

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tricksters quality to it you know i was

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taking the task for this too

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about pseudo scientific

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mumbo jumbo new age bourgeois and all

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this stuff and you know i think i've

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come up with it with a pretty

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interesting new

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pair of glasses and a new form of

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insight into

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some sort of potential causal mechanism

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that may tie together paranormal

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phenomena and i think rosemary in in

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much the same way

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has identified another culture's

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interpretation that's ancient of

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something that may

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be misinterpreted in other cultures as

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ghosts or poltergeists or you know any

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number of you know tags and terms that

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have been applied to these uh phenomenal

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events so you know i i feel that instead

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of uh attacking the messenger why not

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listen to what she says and and maybe

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instead of casting judgment that she's

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just being superstitious and looking at

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a bunch of low brown neanderthal legends

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something i don't see anybody else

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coming up with any any sort of creative

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thinking they all want everything nice

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and and pat in a little petri dish that

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oftentimes breakthrough proto-science if

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you will doesn't doesn't work that way

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we need to identify

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some sort of causal mechanism or or some

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sort of causal agent before we can then

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experiment with it and i i just i i find

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it very disingenuous for for our foreign

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posters to be so um

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passive aggressive in their in their

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attacks it doesn't serve the progress of

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this field any good

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and it just ticks off me the moderator

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and if i want to get into a flaming war

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then all i have to do is

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bring up a couple of topics and duck and

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cover you know so i'm off my soapbox now

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gene what do you think about it well i

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think part of the problem is when you're

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dealing with something like this

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a lot of people are looking for nuts and

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bolts

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so when they look at ufos ufos have to

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be spaceships they have to be physical

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craft that we can touch

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they have to obey what we

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interpret to be the laws of this thing

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they think they have they think they

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have found the nuts and bolts and

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they're they're saying rosemary and i

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are nuts

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well probably we're all nuts but the key

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is here is we haven't found any nuts and

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bolts that's the big thing

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i had an article in last week's power

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i was basically mentioning the fact that

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we've had a number of ufo photos taken

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but very few

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are really clear enough to interpret

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them as one thing or another assuming

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that a fair amount aren't just faked

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photographed but it means that getting

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the nuts and bolts and proving

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the hard evidence is really difficult

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we haven't been able to do it so far

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and if we just restrict ourselves to one

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possible solution and some people very

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early on decided that ufos were

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spaceships couldn't be anything else if

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we look for the simple solution which

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you think spaceships how could that be

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based on what we know about astronomy

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now it's probably fairly simple you know

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we have a more advanced civilization

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on another planet in the universe they

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want to venture forth into the cosmos

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similar creatures look for life

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and they come upon us that's not a

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complicated thing to imagine

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as possibly true but there are a lot of

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things going on there that may or may

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not be related to any physical

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yeah yeah i agree uh we've had too many

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cases of occupants getting out and

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gathering flowers like it's the first

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time they've ever seen them it's almost

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like an act we're seeing for example a

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or a playback of something or maybe the

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reason they keep looking for flowers is

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it's a training expedition

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you know let's

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go visit that primitive planet they call

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earth and let's pick up some plant

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samples to see how you do it if you

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think about it for a moment the movie

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e.t the extraterrestrial

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where they were gathering plants or

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whatever

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that creature was a child

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it's like summer camp so instead of

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having summer camp in the adirondacks or

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something you have summer camp on earth

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it's it's plausible i just

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there's just something about it the

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theatricality and the absurdity of it

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that doesn't add up

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to and then e.t puts on a show for

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giving the best performance to fool

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those dumb earthlings yeah it doesn't

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add up for me you see that's part of the

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big thing about ufos is we take things

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too much

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at what appears to be face value

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okay et's here e.t says they're here to

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help us rather than to harm us

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whatever e.t supposedly tells us

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we believe them we believe what we see

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that what we see is an accurate

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representation of the right just like we

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believe our government

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oh please don't get me started with that

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i don't care what your politics are

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how do we believe government that's

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another big thing about the way the

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world has changed

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years ago we believe our government you

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name the country

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nowadays doesn't matter who's in charge

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i think very few people believe them and

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in the twitter and facebook generation

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information gets circulated so quickly

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that if people disbelieve what's being

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they have a way and out to deal with it

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right and and and then

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when we started to uh realize that we

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really couldn't believe our governments

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then we were relied on the the fifth

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estate the media to give us uh

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the proper information now the people

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that buy off the politicians and the

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government are the same ones that own

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the media so you can't can't believe

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them either

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right you know they talk about liberal

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media conservative media it is corporate

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media large corporations own the media

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and do you think they will allow their

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news divisions

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to report negative things about those

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corporations today we're going to

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feature grant cameron

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and he's coming back to talk about

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a newly updated book it's a new version

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of a book he wrote some years back

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it's called ufos area 51 and government

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and of course the subtitle is a report

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on government involvement

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in ufo crash retrievals we know what

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he's going to talk about that's grant

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cameron and he wrote that with t scott

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a side light here

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just very recently i had lunch with

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scott ramsey who wrote the book about

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aztec and he says there's going to be a

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new edition coming out and he thinks

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there's more compelling evidence out

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there so we'll have to see

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in the meantime

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we have so many questions in our

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question bank

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for grant cameron we may not have to do

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any work ourselves just read the

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questions we have one that sets a record

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with over two dozen questions

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grant cameron author of ufos area 51 and

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government informants

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with gene and chris you're in the

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have you ever felt like the united

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frozen bank accounts confiscation of

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joining us on the power cast this week

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is grant cameron

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he and t scott crane wrote a book called

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ufos area 51 and government informants

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subtitled a report on government

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involvement in ufo crash retrievals

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grant welcome back to the power cast and

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the first question i have here is

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this book is evidently an update to a

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previous book can you tell us a little

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bit about the previous book and what do

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you think has changed very briefly we'll

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get into more detail as we go along okay

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gene uh basically the book i think was

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published in 1990 1991

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what has basically changed in the book

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is uh was another sort of mostly an

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update

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to material it was in the book we in the

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original book we had the area 51 story

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we had the uh the canadian government

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story the eric walker

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president penn state university story we

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had all that and what happened was it

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had been published by mufon it was the

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first book published by mufon and

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basically unless you were a member of

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mufon you couldn't buy the book it

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wasn't in bookstores there was no such

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thing as amazon.com stuff like that so

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edward it had its 1 000 run and that was

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basically it

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and nobody really heard the story what

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happened was that richard dolan when he

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was putting out his

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ufos and national security part 2

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had used some of the material in the

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book he had gone through it and had put

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in the canadian stuff and the eric

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walker stuff thought it was fairly good

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and came to me and basically said could

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we do a an update and publish the book

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again he thought there was some stuff in

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there that people

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should be notified of what was taken out

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was the south african crash which has

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always been very controversial we had it

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in the original book and we took that

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out because i added about 100 pages

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based on new material related to mj-12

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bill moore all that sort of stuff

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and so he pulled that and we changed the

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name of the book from it used to be

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called ufos mj-12

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and the government and we took out the

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mj-12 not because it wasn't significant

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because i did add quite a bit of

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material in mj 12 but because the book

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was now sort of a book that was going on

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to amazon.com to the public and

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99.9 of people

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in the public really wouldn't know what

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mj 12 was and probably couldn't care

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less

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well okay but you had 100 pages about mj

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12 so certainly you care a lot about the

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subject so

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let's just re-educate some of our

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listeners a lot of whom have heard about

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nj 12 and we've had you on the show

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before we've had other people who have

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explored the subject we've had stan

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friedman we've had people who do not

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believe in mj 12 as being real such as

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kevin randle so very briefly

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tell our listeners once again what mj 12

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is and then let's go into that 100 pages

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of new material okay basically mj 12 is

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the rumored control group supposedly

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according to the documents that were

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released in

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1987 it refers to a group that was

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started by president truman a group of

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12 people who

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were sort of like scientific

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military type people who control the

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information on

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the ufos it's basically uh the names

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probably been changed but it was grouped

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started in 1947 and they are the guys

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who run the whole show who were these

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people

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vandevar bush who uh we always say is a

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significant gain name who was the uh

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science advisor to president roosevelt

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who was sort of the technological czar

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during world war ii for all the

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military developments like the atomic

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bomb proximity fuse uh you know jet

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engine all the stuff that was developed

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during world war ii uh he was one of the

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key people on there you had people uh

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like various scientists the one that was

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controversial was menzel who was the uh

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great skeptic ufo skeptic his name

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appeared on there and when i when i

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reviewed it i say it really

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i i know there's a lot of controversy

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about this i say basically the documents

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are all still phony

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they're not real documents but they are

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very significant documents in that what

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they're doing is trying to tell us a

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story so

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the names on there really i haven't

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really

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put too much significance

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in them

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i'm more interested in all the documents

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as a whole because when you come right

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down to there's not just uh the mj12

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document which was released by bill

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moore jamie chandray and stanton

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friedman in

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1987 there are actually about 4 000

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pages of uh mj-12 style documents which

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indicates that this is an organization

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releasing this material it's not uh bill

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moore hosting it it's not richard dodie

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hosting it this is an operation of some

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sort to try to get something out to the

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public okay but unlike what stanton

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friedman says you don't believe those

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original mj 12 documents as they were

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presented are genuine but someone put it

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out there okay so if someone put it out

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there why what message are they trying

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to deliver well i think they're trying

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to deliver them the message uh of mj-12

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they're trying to get this basic idea

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that there there was there was a group

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and it goes through the whole book if

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you take a look at the whole book

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there's a whole series of things that

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they want out like the the idea of area

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51 so we go into the whole area 51 and

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my version of how it was a setup how

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they basically wanted out they thought

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the story was going to fall apart they

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didn't realize that knapp was going to

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take this and run with it but you're

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also giving us a little bit of inside

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baseball here so let's try to expand

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this nap being george knapp a las vegas

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tv broadcaster who also occasionally has

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been a co-host or a guest host on coast

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to coast a.m yeah he's been on the

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characters we know him well he does a

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lot of research and he early on did a

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lot of work in publicizing what area 51

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was all about but i want to get back to

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mj 12 and then we'll get into area 51.

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we're kind of going over the map here so

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i'm still kind of dim on this and maybe

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you can explain in more detail for our

530
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listeners we certainly hope they'll read

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the book but in the meantime that we

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have the fake documents we want to send

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a message is that message strictly that

534
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the us government took ufo seriously

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forget about donald menzel or vaniveer

536
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bush or any of those people yeah that

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there was a group that there there was a

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group that was that was put out there

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there was a control group and that it

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was taken seriously by the government

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and sort of indicating who these people

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were

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the basic core of the thing is true the

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reason i say that the original mj-12

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document is is is not accurate i used to

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think that it might have been accurate

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was the fact that i now believe the

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evidence indicates there was a live

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alien at roswell and the basic original

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document talks about roswell and it

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talks about four dead aliens so i would

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say that that's inaccurate so but

553
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basically what it is is it comes down to

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bill moore and bill moore's the guy who

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released the mj12 document who sort of

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was so the the sort of the puppet master

557
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of this whole organization and the story

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goes back to his encounter

559
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what people don't realize who haven't

560
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been in ufos that long is that before

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bill moore

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came on the scene nobody knew what

563
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,360
roswell was bill moore had done this

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book called the roswell incident in 1980

565
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and he became very famous for this he

566
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got a lot of credibility from

567
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media people because it was basically

568
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,240
like a documented type book so before

569
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bill moore released that book nobody

570
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,320
knew about about roswell now we should

571
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,240
expand on this too the book was

572
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co-authored by charles burlitz yes who

573
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,400
wrote the bermuda triangle on the

574
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,400
philadelphia experiment and by the way i

575
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:04,799
knew burlesque in those days long gone

576
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,520
and also stanton friedman had uncredited

577
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,960
participation

578
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,039
in another roswell book and that's

579
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,720
significant which i'll explain in a

580
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minute but bill bill

581
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the book is released and as bill

582
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describes it within days of the release

583
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he goes on a a

584
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a publicity tour for the book

585
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,760
and he gets a phone call from i believe

586
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,080
it was kirkland air force base

587
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:30,320
and this guy comes on and leaves a

588
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,360
message

589
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with bill he doesn't take the call but

590
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the message is he's the only guy who

591
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knows what he's talking about we're

592
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going to find out what he was talking

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about in a moment grant cameron joining

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in to the paracast let me tell you what

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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

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that george snorri

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the book is ufo's area 51 and government

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informants it's a reworking of an older

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book that goes back over 20 years the

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guest is grant cameron and now we're

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talking about

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william moore was the co-author of the

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roswell book that charles burlitz

700
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:33,919
participated in the first major roswell

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book

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that brought everything to public

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attention

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he's on

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the first publicity tour

706
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,240
and he gets a call from someone tell us

707
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,159
more so he gets the first call he

708
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,600
ignores the first call the first call

709
00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:46,960
basically says you're the only guy that

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knows what you're talking about

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he's continues the book tour a couple

712
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,960
days later he gets a phone call again at

713
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,399
the end of the show there's a phone call

714
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,840
comes in and they say do you want to

715
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:57,440
take this phone call it's from offutt

716
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,799
air force base in uh in the midwest so

717
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,480
bill takes the phone call it's the same

718
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:04,000
message you're the only guy knows what

719
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,600
you're talking about we'd like to have a

720
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,440
meeting so bill arranges this meeting he

721
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,440
meets with this guy who later would

722
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,840
become known as the falcon and there are

723
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,159
two falcons this is the the sort of the

724
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,520
high-level cia guy who's

725
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,679
in charge of this this operation he

726
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:22,000
meets with bill moore and he says a very

727
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,440
critical thing he says to bill moore he

728
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,159
says i represent a group of high-level

729
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:28,640
government people and we want the

730
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,520
policies changed regarding ufos and

731
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,360
we're willing to help you and then the

732
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,520
key is he said we're willing to help you

733
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,080
without breaking the law and that's why

734
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,159
i say all the documents have to be phony

735
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,480
because you if whether you're the

736
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,240
president and last year they went after

737
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,880
obama for uh leaking classified material

738
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,039
related to the drones and the hacking of

739
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,520
the computers with the iranian nuclear

740
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,960
program if they can go after the

741
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,480
president for releasing classified

742
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,520
material the same thing is going to

743
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,640
happen with anybody else you release

744
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:59,039
classified material you're going to jail

745
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,559
so basically what they're doing is

746
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,559
they're releasing material

747
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,240
the original mj tall document and all

748
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,840
the rest of it is they're releasing very

749
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,679
important material but what you do is

750
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,200
you fictionalize it the same as if

751
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,600
you're a ci agent and you want to tell

752
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,919
the story of how you saved america from

753
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:16,159
imminent danger or whatever and they say

754
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,279
you can write up your story what you got

755
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,480
to do is you got to take the classified

756
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,320
material out you got to change the dates

757
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:22,000
you got to change the names you got to

758
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:23,360
fictionalize the whole thing and then

759
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,880
you can release your material so that's

760
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,640
what i believe they're doing based upon

761
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,320
what bill moore had originally said and

762
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,799
bill moore's original situation was he

763
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was this very prominent author who just

764
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,000
released this very prominent book he

765
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,120
gets this approach he gets two two names

766
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:38,880
he gets the the condor and the falcon

767
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:41,360
and what he does is he goes and he runs

768
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,279
this through the head of news at cbs in

769
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,279
los angeles and this guy vets these two

770
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:49,919
guys and so bill moore when later when

771
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,799
he's defending what he did said

772
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,559
i did what any

773
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,320
researcher worth his salt would have

774
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,399
done i was approached by these two these

775
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,480
high level people i checked their

776
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,480
credentials it showed that they were who

777
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,559
they claimed to be they wanted to help

778
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,720
me and i think anybody would do the same

779
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,799
thing i did and basically what he did is

780
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,440
he stepped into the the world of of the

781
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,600
government classified material and they

782
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,279
started to feed him material now what's

783
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,919
significant that comes up is that in

784
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,520
1981

785
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:21,039
after he makes his contact with the

786
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,720
falcon and he starts receiving all this

787
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,039
material he states that the material is

788
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,840
coming in so fast and so furious that he

789
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:30,159
needs a partner now as you pointed out

790
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,120
before

791
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,880
stanton friedman had helped him with the

792
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,200
roswell story and stan friedman probably

793
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,440
was the most prominent researcher at

794
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,360
that time as he is now

795
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,200
very long long

796
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,399
career very respected but does he go to

797
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,320
stanton friedman to get him to help with

798
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:47,840
this all this material is coming in in

799
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,480
june of 1981 no he goes to jamie

800
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,480
chanduri and in the ufo community all

801
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,559
the years we always wondered

802
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,000
a number of questions why did the

803
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,640
original document the mj12 document

804
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:00,720
arrive in jamie chanderey's mailbox why

805
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,679
didn't it go to bill moore and why did

806
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,159
bill moore not pick stanton friedman to

807
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,640
help him uncover all this material why

808
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:10,640
did he go to jamie chandray who was

809
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,159
supposedly a producer a tv producer film

810
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,919
producer in los angeles who had no

811
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,240
background in ufos at all now in an

812
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,200
interview in 2004 bill moore did with

813
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,440
greg bishop who was one of the few

814
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,200
people he talked to after he left the

815
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:27,600
field greg bishop has a radio show in

816
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,440
los angeles he told bishop on this show

817
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,240
that the reason that jamie that jamie

818
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,320
had a cia background that jamie had

819
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,760
worked

820
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,000
for the cia on some

821
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,320
various problems and issues and stuff

822
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,240
like that and then in the book i

823
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,480
released the fact that bill moore had

824
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,720
been involved early on and that i

825
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,600
identified bill moore also as a ci asset

826
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,000
that bill moore had told a researcher by

827
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,640
the name of bill steinman who helped us

828
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,200
in the book uh with various things he

829
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,240
had told bill steinman that he had been

830
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,240
recruited by the cia when he was at

831
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:06,559
university and that he had done some

832
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,360
some

833
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,360
footwork for the cia he had written a

834
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,360
number of reports for the cia and then

835
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,600
he had left the field and

836
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:15,919
when he got into ufos he reestablished

837
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,559
his intelligence connections and that's

838
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,559
how he got all these birds that's how he

839
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:22,720
was able to get these high-level people

840
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,519
because he had this sort of background

841
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,480
and

842
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:28,960
people would know that bill moore was

843
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,880
was fluent in russian he could speak and

844
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,799
write russian so he had this sort of

845
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,880
background that had given him access to

846
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:36,880
intelligence sources so this is what's

847
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,840
critical he picks a jamie chandray so

848
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,600
you have these two guys who are

849
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,320
basically cia assets who

850
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,320
so it was a put up job long and short of

851
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,279
it is this was a put up job deliberately

852
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:51,679
you send this material which happens to

853
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,720
be fake

854
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:54,880
and if we look at it today though if i

855
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,679
asked stanton friedman today yeah stan

856
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,600
and i've done stand for 30 years over 30

857
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,840
40 years whatever are the mj 12

858
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,240
documents the original ones

859
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,919
the so-called eisenhower briefing

860
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:06,960
documents

861
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,600
is it real he will say it is

862
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,279
yeah he'll say there's three real ones

863
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,440
and the hundred other hundred documents

864
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:14,640
that bill and

865
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:17,440
ryan and bob wood got are all phony

866
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,360
explain who ryan is well there was as

867
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,679
as i said there are thousands of other

868
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,840
pages of documents that came out which

869
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:27,919
came through a guy by the name of tim

870
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,360
cooper and those were analyzed by bob

871
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,200
wood who had worked for

872
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,840
douglas aircraft he's an engineer very

873
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:36,960
respected

874
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,000
well-known guy and his son ryan wood and

875
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,919
they basically took these documents and

876
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,399
based upon what bobwood knew from his

877
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,159
intelligence backgrounds and stuff they

878
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,679
started analyzing all these other

879
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,679
documents that appeared after bill moore

880
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:51,519
left the field so these started appear

881
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,880
in 1991 93 94. there's a pile of

882
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,399
documents that appeared and they

883
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,919
analyzed all these other which were

884
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,240
called the new mj-12 documents and

885
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,399
stanton would say those are all phony

886
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,279
but the three that he got are real same

887
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,519
as now robert collins is making the

888
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,440
statement saying that bob wood had

889
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,159
determined that 80 percent of the new mj

890
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,879
12 documents were real which begs the

891
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:16,240
the question if

892
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,599
you've got friends inside the government

893
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,720
who are giving you a real documents if

894
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,720
they're giving you 80 or real why would

895
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,800
the same friends of yours give you 20 of

896
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:27,040
phony documents it it's the old question

897
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,320
of of

898
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:30,399
how do you determine what's real i think

899
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:31,839
the material that they're releasing

900
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,879
because i i dealt a lot with ryan wood

901
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:37,440
and one particular document i thought

902
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:41,280
was very significant and um the the the

903
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,480
reason they wouldn't publish it was

904
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,320
because there was a there was a spelling

905
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,240
mistake

906
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,159
it was a thing that had to do with

907
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,919
curtis lemay i knew the background of

908
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,040
the document i thought was very

909
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,280
significant and yet they spelled curtis

910
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,520
lemay's name wrong on this document so

911
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,280
that was where i sort of got the idea

912
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,040
that they were trying to get across very

913
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,720
important material

914
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,760
that would indicate uh what was going on

915
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,680
and yet you do it in a fictionalized

916
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,920
form so that nobody breaks the law

917
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:09,520
and that that's basically how they're

918
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,400
doing it

919
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,720
okay so you know i want to tell you that

920
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,720
i'm listening to all this

921
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:16,400
it's very intricate and we have

922
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:18,880
thousands of pages of this stuff

923
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:21,680
and i remember a line in a movie called

924
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,800
ruthless people where danny devito uses

925
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,280
the term baffle them with bs and i won't

926
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,280
spell out the term and it sounds like

927
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,040
they're doing that they're just filling

928
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,040
our minds with all this nonsense well

929
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:35,040
it's it's classic disinformation genius

930
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,920
okay sure

931
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:37,760
okay but then the point being the point

932
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,400
being here is if you fill everybody with

933
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:42,000
disinformation

934
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,920
but there is some real information among

935
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,520
the core of this

936
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,760
how do we know then what that real

937
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,359
information is

938
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,000
how do we prove that information how do

939
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,200
we find the signal in all that noise and

940
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,359
thousands of documents we're talking

941
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,440
about an awful lot of noise there we

942
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:01,920
have this grant cameron who with t scott

943
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,280
crane wrote a book called ufos area 51

944
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,079
and government informants the subtitle

945
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,480
is a report on government involvement in

946
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:13,040
ufo crash retrievals as you're hearing

947
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,320
in the first part of this interview with

948
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,599
grant there's a lot of stuff to go over

949
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,280
and we have so many questions i'll tell

950
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:20,800
you now we probably won't get to all of

951
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:23,599
them just chris and i getting

952
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,119
coverage of our own questions going to

953
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,640
take a while we're going to do our best

954
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,400
there's a lot of information here to

955
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,720
dissect if you have any comments or

956
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questions neighbors don't forget to

957
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write us news at the powercast.com news

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this is skirt possible the author of ufo

1053
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mysteries and you're listening to the

1054
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1055
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[Music]

1056
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,920
we continue with grant cameron with gene

1057
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,319
and chris in the power cast and now

1058
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,319
let's focus on the disinformation so

1059
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,520
we're being inundated with all this junk

1060
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,160
in the midst of which is some real stuff

1061
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,240
so now okay how do we figure out what

1062
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,400
the real stuff is and separate it from

1063
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:31,760
all the junk

1064
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,400
um well it that's that's the problem

1065
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,800
let me address the the disinformation

1066
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,240
because i say it's different i say it's

1067
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,400
information covered with disinformation

1068
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,319
uh let me give you two examples jacques

1069
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,880
ballet talks about this he said you know

1070
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:46,400
something really doesn't make much sense

1071
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,280
here

1072
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,359
why would the u s government

1073
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:51,440
go through all the work to create all

1074
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:54,960
this this information to disinform a

1075
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:57,760
group of people ufologists who really

1076
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,800
have no influence and no

1077
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,960
effect in the general public we have

1078
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,119
nothing we i mean you and i listen to

1079
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,200
your show and there's going to be a

1080
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,560
few people listening to the show but

1081
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,280
basically nobody in the public really

1082
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:12,720
cares what we do

1083
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,520
we really don't have any significant

1084
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,160
impact on the new york times washington

1085
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,560
post on anything we're basically just

1086
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,800
putting this thing so the the idea that

1087
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:24,720
they need to disinform us doesn't make

1088
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,599
any sense they're basically trying to

1089
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,480
get us out of 1947 the idea they're

1090
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,839
trying to get across

1091
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,880
what

1092
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,400
valet

1093
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,920
hell put off

1094
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:36,720
and

1095
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,240
looked at the same thing you got all

1096
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,480
this all the signal what is the noise

1097
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,240
what is the core story and that's what

1098
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,800
they called it the core story what is in

1099
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,480
all this stuff that we can basically

1100
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,319
believe what do we know for sure and

1101
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:52,000
their core story was basically the fact

1102
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,760
there had been a crash that they've been

1103
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,200
back engineering and stuff weren't

1104
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,680
really doing very well and the the idea

1105
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,760
of the live alien now the second point

1106
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,960
about this is

1107
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,359
the idea of whistleblowers in the united

1108
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:06,000
states is a united states phenomenon it

1109
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,599
does not really happen in any other

1110
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,240
country i come from canada and in the

1111
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,760
canadian government got out of the ufo

1112
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,960
business about the same time as the

1113
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:15,040
americans in the late 60s

1114
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,240
in the canadian government i've been in

1115
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:19,359
this for 37 years i could not tell you

1116
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,400
whether the canadian government is

1117
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,240
involved i would not know which agency

1118
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:25,200
to point you to i have no idea where

1119
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,400
their stuff is

1120
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,800
who's running it the idea of this thing

1121
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,960
of dropping all this material isn't is

1122
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,720
an american phenomena where all these

1123
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,079
people are coming out

1124
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:36,079
now in the canadians got out in the same

1125
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,520
time they have not said a thing since

1126
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,880
they got out of the ufo business they

1127
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:42,640
just you don't know who to ask there's

1128
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,680
no no uh buddy talking about it and

1129
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,440
basically they're out of it the american

1130
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:48,960
government was in exactly the same

1131
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:51,839
position in december of 1969. they got

1132
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,240
out of the blue book it was a total pr

1133
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,680
nightmare it was the worst thing that

1134
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,040
was going on because every time there

1135
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,800
was a sighting they had to put a u.s air

1136
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,880
force officer to make some sort of

1137
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,200
garbage explanation of what somebody had

1138
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:05,040
seen the night before and they could

1139
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:06,640
barely wait to get this off their hands

1140
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,920
so in december 1969 at the end just

1141
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:12,319
before christmas when all the reporters

1142
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,680
had gone home in washington they

1143
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:15,040
released the fact that they've shut down

1144
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,720
blue book they're out of the business

1145
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,160
and as i've said numerous times they

1146
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,560
could sit there and watch nfl football

1147
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,000
and dancing with the stars for the rest

1148
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:23,839
of their life they never had to talk

1149
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,440
about ufos ever again so the idea was

1150
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,839
keep quiet it'll go away

1151
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,079
nobody has to do any pr nobody has to

1152
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:34,160
make any explanations what do they do

1153
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:35,200
instead

1154
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,880
in 1972 they call bob emeneger and alan

1155
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,800
sandler they call them to norton air

1156
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,640
force base and these are the guys who

1157
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,480
don't have to talk about ufos they call

1158
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,079
them to a clean room at norton air force

1159
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,000
base and they say oh we'd like you to do

1160
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,079
these documentaries on different stuff

1161
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,359
for for darpa and put the the defense

1162
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,599
department in a better light and oh by

1163
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,760
the way we'd also like to get you at the

1164
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,760
end we want you to hide this documentary

1165
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:01,680
under the documentaries we'd like you to

1166
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,240
get do a documentary on ufos and they go

1167
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,680
to the pentagon they walk into the

1168
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,319
pentagon and they sign a contract this

1169
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,240
is not you know under the table this is

1170
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,000
they sign a contract and they do a

1171
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,040
documentary on ufos and bob emeniger has

1172
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,680
told the story probably 50 times about

1173
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,599
how they were able to walk everywhere

1174
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,200
and all the blue book people had to talk

1175
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,800
to them and they talked to arthur

1176
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,880
lundahl who was the head guy the cia for

1177
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,280
ufos and everybody sort of cooperated so

1178
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:29,359
the idea is if you're out of ufos in

1179
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,599
1969 why in 1972 would you put all sorts

1180
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,000
of uh stuff on the fire and put gas on

1181
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,000
it and get the fire going and i promise

1182
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:40,319
promise eminem the holman air force base

1183
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,359
footage

1184
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,960
and promised him and they had it and

1185
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,319
they had it here's

1186
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,160
this is a story that i say is a book i

1187
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,000
mean this is one of them it is the

1188
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:49,920
probably the most dramatic story inside

1189
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,119
ufology they they were promised the film

1190
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,839
and they they had the film in their

1191
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:57,040
possession

1192
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,040
and they had at the end it was 1973 74

1193
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,040
is the watergate period and just when

1194
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,640
they're going to do the film when

1195
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,000
they're going to put the film in at the

1196
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,760
end they're told you got to move the

1197
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,359
film back and bob tells the story about

1198
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:11,520
this heavyset guy in this small datsun

1199
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,880
with his wife and they drive this thing

1200
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,720
back to the pentagon and stuff like that

1201
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,880
and yet in the film they they're they're

1202
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,480
offered for three different vantage

1203
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,599
points where they're shooting this thing

1204
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,079
in may of 1971 at holland air force base

1205
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:24,560
in in the documentary

1206
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,599
bob

1207
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,960
it becomes known that there's eight

1208
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:29,359
seconds of film from the holloman film

1209
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,800
so i phone up bob and this is where it

1210
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,720
comes to this disinformation information

1211
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,599
thing

1212
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,880
i said bob

1213
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,640
there's eight seconds of film

1214
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,480
and finally he said yeah yeah we got

1215
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,079
there's eight seconds of the film from

1216
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:42,240
the original film in there and i said

1217
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,280
well why would they give you eight

1218
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:45,040
seconds of the film i thought you told

1219
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,400
me they pulled the film back and he said

1220
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,560
well yeah but it was just background it

1221
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,079
really didn't mean anything and i said

1222
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,839
but why would they let you put it in and

1223
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,400
he said well it didn't show the craft

1224
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,480
and it didn't show the aliens and that

1225
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,560
comes back to the same thing where you

1226
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,960
take a real story and you fictionalize

1227
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,520
it so that you if you see the object if

1228
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,560
you see the the ufos past present future

1229
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,240
you'll see the thing and they show this

1230
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,400
this clip of holloman uh the hills

1231
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,240
around holloman and you can actually see

1232
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,640
where the film sort of breaks and you

1233
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,560
you see this object but you can't see

1234
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,079
the actual shape of the object it's just

1235
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:20,640
this object this bright object six

1236
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,920
o'clock in the morning coming over the

1237
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,880
hills

1238
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,960
so the whole idea is that it's the same

1239
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,480
thing as the chase brandon story which

1240
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,720
we can sort of relate to later okay yeah

1241
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,640
that's another interesting story so you

1242
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,880
know this is getting very complicated

1243
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,040
and i want you to simplify it because

1244
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,040
we're nearing almost a third of the show

1245
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,040
so far and there's so many questions

1246
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,640
we'll never get to all of you but

1247
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,319
basically it's the same thing you can't

1248
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,319
you don't describe the alien which is

1249
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:46,400
classified you don't describe the actual

1250
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,560
craft a close-up of the craft but you

1251
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,280
can show this object coming in at a

1252
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,119
distance so you're you're getting the

1253
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,960
story across but you're you're you're

1254
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,040
controlling the classified aspects the

1255
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,720
same as this chase brandon guy who comes

1256
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,880
out last year and says

1257
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,119
i saw this box there was no box he

1258
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:05,040
fictionalized he says there's a box i'm

1259
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,319
not going to describe what was inside

1260
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:08,000
the box but i can tell you that roswell

1261
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,960
happened and it involved

1262
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,280
extraterrestrial bodies so he's

1263
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,200
basically telling you the story without

1264
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,280
giving you any of the classified details

1265
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,800
which is against the law they'll throw

1266
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:18,319
him in jail to throw emma in jail

1267
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,760
they'll throw anybody in jail who

1268
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,200
actually gets a piece of classified

1269
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,200
information and puts it into the public

1270
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:25,040
you know i just have one question about

1271
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,000
all this

1272
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,920
wouldn't it be simpler to just deny

1273
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,680
everything rather than fill people with

1274
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,359
all this information all that does is

1275
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,440
inflame the fires exactly that's what

1276
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,040
that's my whole point i mean it seems

1277
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,440
like such a waste why create all these

1278
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:40,240
documents that are fake why do that

1279
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,520
what's the point for some reason they

1280
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,680
want the answer out they want it partly

1281
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:45,599
out if they wanted the story really

1282
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,920
released it's very simple you take your

1283
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:49,599
top guy you take a bunch of documents to

1284
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,640
go to new york times go to the

1285
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,400
washington post the story's out so they

1286
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,160
don't want the story out it's evident

1287
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,079
but they they could keep quiet i said in

1288
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:58,160
1969 they could keep quiet the same as

1289
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,839
the canadians and number of other

1290
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,599
governments in the world and not talk

1291
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,520
about it and it would go away it's like

1292
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,520
an incremental disclosure process

1293
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,040
basically that's what i'm saying they're

1294
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:08,960
doing because neither makes sense to say

1295
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,680
that

1296
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,040
you could do it the canadians and you

1297
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,040
could make the story go away just shut

1298
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,520
up and quit talking about it and and i i

1299
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,280
spend a lot of my time talking about

1300
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,359
ronald pendolfi and kit green and arthur

1301
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,839
lundall these guys from the cia top guys

1302
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,440
in the cia who have been interacting

1303
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,839
with the ufo community since 1954

1304
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,920
dropping stuff into the ufo community in

1305
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,000
fact bob emeneger tells the story about

1306
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,079
the dealing with arthur lundall who was

1307
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,800
the original guy and how he was given

1308
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:36,720
this story about the the cia channeling

1309
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,920
an alien in 1959 and he gets the whole

1310
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,440
story the ci gives him the whole story

1311
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,040
and then he says to arthur lundell can

1312
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,359
you come on camera and describe this and

1313
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,280
he said you don't understand bob i'm on

1314
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,359
duty i can't go on camera so they get

1315
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,200
robert friend the former head of blue

1316
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,119
book and he goes on camera and describes

1317
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,200
the story about the cia channeling an

1318
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,720
alien so why would they give you that

1319
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,559
story to put in a documentary in the

1320
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,880
mid-1970s it's a between thing it's not

1321
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,559
they don't want it completely out they

1322
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,599
don't want to spill the milk because

1323
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:05,280
once you spill the milk then you lose

1324
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,559
the classified material and you can't

1325
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,319
put the milk back in the in the glass

1326
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,319
they want this half position where

1327
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,920
they're sort of getting the story out

1328
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,440
they're sort of it's almost like the bin

1329
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,400
laden thing i mean bin laden gets killed

1330
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,000
within 24 hours there's two different

1331
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,839
stories nobody knows really what

1332
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,280
happened there all we know is that they

1333
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,359
got bin laden and they they put out all

1334
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,880
these different types of stories it's

1335
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,880
you know it's a blackhawk helicopter and

1336
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,800
then they've got pictures of the stealth

1337
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,960
and and you've got all these different

1338
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:32,960
channels of information that throw

1339
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,680
people off to what the actual truth is

1340
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:37,760
but the the basic core story is getting

1341
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,520
out ah i'm exhausted

1342
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,319
your tax dollars at work gene

1343
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,400
speak for yourself okay well if i made

1344
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,720
enough money to pay a lot of tax dollars

1345
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:51,200
i'd worry about it but this is true with

1346
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:52,559
almost everything we're spending a lot

1347
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:56,480
of money on this ridiculous exercise in

1348
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,839
supposedly

1349
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:00,400
educating people about ufos and what's

1350
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:02,000
really going on here but no we don't

1351
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,599
want to do that because the official

1352
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,359
posture on the part of the u.s

1353
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,920
government is that ufos aren't real

1354
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,280
they're conventional objects or

1355
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:11,440
phenomena so what's the point of all

1356
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,880
this the mind boggles but you know we

1357
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,280
should begin now that we've covered some

1358
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,400
of the disinformation stuff to look into

1359
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,200
the actual crash retrievals themselves

1360
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,960
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and now

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00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:14,230
now let me tell you before we go on that

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we

1421
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,119
asked our listeners to pose their

1422
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,359
questions in question bank which is one

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00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:20,960
of the forum areas at

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00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,520
forum.thepowercast.com

1425
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,960
one person asks a couple of dozen

1426
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,480
questions there's no way we're going to

1427
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,960
get to all the questions okay so that

1428
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,400
ship is sale we can't do it i'm going to

1429
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,880
ask a few more chris will and we'll get

1430
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:34,240
some of your questions we'll try to get

1431
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,079
to it okay ufo crash retrievals now

1432
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,480
before we go to roswell the reason i'm

1433
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:41,839
going to ask the second question is

1434
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,720
because i had lunch last couple weeks

1435
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,520
ago with scott ramsey and scott and

1436
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,160
suzanne ramsey along with frank warren

1437
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:52,240
worked on a book about the aztec

1438
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,280
incident

1439
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:55,440
so before we go on with anything else

1440
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,119
grand cameron do you accept aztec as a

1441
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,480
real event or just something a tall tale

1442
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,280
told of frank scully

1443
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:07,359
i'm i'm undecided i really don't know

1444
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,599
one way i would say if i were to bet i

1445
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,520
would say probably not

1446
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,640
what i looked at in terms of aztec was

1447
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,079
some of the interesting story that came

1448
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,160
out for example the and i don't think

1449
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,280
it's in the book 1952 frank skelet gets

1450
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,000
a letter after he publishes the book he

1451
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,520
gets a letter from someone in new york

1452
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,440
talking about a live alien in new mexico

1453
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,760
that they had captured a live alien that

1454
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,079
kind of stuff i i find fairly

1455
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,920
significant that showed that there was

1456
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,599
some truth to what's going on that's the

1457
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,720
problem with this whole thing whether

1458
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:39,200
it's the roswell thing i think is pretty

1459
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,160
clear

1460
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,119
that i i would say yeah roswell happened

1461
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,040
as to all the other stuff there's just

1462
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,040
so much material you can't tell whether

1463
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,440
it's disinformation information and i

1464
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,640
really don't deal with that kind of

1465
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,880
stuff i don't try to really prove

1466
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,599
crash retrievals we just sort of went

1467
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,359
sort of on the edge of it and tried to

1468
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:59,119
deal with people who

1469
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,319
we thought were involved because that's

1470
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:02,640
how i started i had sightings and i had

1471
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,160
very close up sightings in 1975 and 76

1472
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,160
after dan i have not had a sighting

1473
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,960
since but i basically wanted to know

1474
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,480
what somebody knew that somebody had the

1475
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,559
answer to what i had seen so i've always

1476
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,799
been trying to find the guys who have

1477
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:19,040
the control rather than to try to figure

1478
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,319
out which stories are true and which

1479
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,839
stories aren't i think there are certain

1480
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,760
people inside the government and certain

1481
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:25,280
people around who know where the bodies

1482
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,559
are buried and those are the people i

1483
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:28,000
spend my time

1484
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,839
chasing around all right let's just look

1485
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,760
very briefly at roswell because i think

1486
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,920
this is one of these crazy cases where a

1487
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,520
lot of people say i don't want to hear

1488
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:37,599
any more about roswell a lot of people

1489
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,480
say tell me more anyway so

1490
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,480
what about the simple explanation the

1491
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:44,880
simplest this is just a test aircraft

1492
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,760
period end of story a test aircraft well

1493
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,760
i mean i i think there's 600 witnesses

1494
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,119
and i think the vast majority of the

1495
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,799
people are talking about one thing i

1496
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,960
don't think there's really of those 600

1497
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,799
witnesses or whatever it is

1498
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,599
people talking about mogul balloons or

1499
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,359
test aircrafts i think you just take the

1500
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,880
weight of the evidence of the people

1501
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,559
that the vast majority of people are

1502
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,920
talking about

1503
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,280
something that that was probably

1504
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:09,440
extraterrestrial and i think importantly

1505
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,400
involved a live alien all right why even

1506
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,880
if you have 600 people telling you why

1507
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:17,040
assume it wasn't a test aircraft well

1508
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,240
the evidence had you have to have some

1509
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,359
evidence i mean it could be one of uh

1510
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,040
yeah but you don't have evidence of e.t

1511
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,160
unless you have e.t on ice why would you

1512
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,920
think it'd be a test aircraft well

1513
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,599
because i haven't seen anybody describe

1514
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:31,599
a test aircraft well we would think that

1515
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,799
if they describe something they're

1516
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,880
describing a aircraft that maybe they

1517
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,480
weren't familiar with

1518
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:38,960
but doesn't make it not a test aircraft

1519
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,000
with bodies okay that's one where it's

1520
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,559
disputed but do we assume

1521
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,559
then that we're accurate about the live

1522
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,640
alien because that is where obviously

1523
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:50,880
things diverge well i think if you've

1524
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:53,200
got up to 12 cases of people describing

1525
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,880
a live alien i think there's it looks

1526
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,400
pretty good that there probably was a

1527
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,240
live alien i i look at things very

1528
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,920
simply that you know you take a look at

1529
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,680
what people say and if if people are

1530
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:03,920
saying one thing you sort of you take

1531
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,839
that as your working hypotheses it may

1532
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:08,000
not in the end be true but i mean it

1533
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,280
seems to be more and more people

1534
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,440
describing one thing and nobody

1535
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,960
describing test aircraft and nobody

1536
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,799
describing mogul balloon and i mean

1537
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,240
those are possibilities but you have to

1538
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,680
have some evidence so you can't just

1539
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,200
well are you talking about

1540
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,520
joseph farrell i mean he's come up with

1541
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:23,839
quite a bit of interesting uh

1542
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,359
documentation and uh he's kind of

1543
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,960
kind of drawn lines between the dots

1544
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:30,960
there a little bit that does support

1545
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,200
some sort of terrestrial craft as a

1546
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,520
possibility to explain the roswell

1547
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,359
incident no i haven't studied that i

1548
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,440
mean i can look at it and see but uh

1549
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,359
right now i haven't seen

1550
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:42,960
i haven't seen i mean it's always the

1551
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,440
thing we we throw you know

1552
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,280
all sorts of alternate explanations

1553
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,440
because we're it's like anything but

1554
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,760
alien as you know as stanton says we we

1555
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,520
just we're trying to find some rational

1556
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,119
explanation to

1557
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,040
make it something other than what it

1558
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,839
appears to be well i do i do really uh

1559
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:02,000
strongly recommend joseph farrell's work

1560
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,119
um

1561
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,680
he has three or four books that go into

1562
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,839
all the permutations that uh

1563
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:10,079
that would actually

1564
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:11,359
it definitely

1565
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,119
at least in my mind

1566
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,839
lays out a very good case that deserves

1567
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,319
um attention uh but we should move on

1568
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,680
don't you think gene we got a lot of

1569
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:21,440
questions here indeed i just wanted to

1570
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:24,240
cover that very briefly but okay crash

1571
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,920
retrievals in general other than roswell

1572
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,599
since you're not accepting the

1573
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,119
possibility at this point that maybe

1574
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:34,079
aztec involved anything is there any

1575
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,040
other crash retrieval of note that we

1576
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:39,119
have to seriously consider i think you

1577
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:40,319
look at

1578
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:46,079
that in 1950 the canadian the canadians

1579
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,599
went to the americans they went to the

1580
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:49,760
canadian embassy in washington dc

1581
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,240
uh frank skelly's book on the crash at

1582
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,280
aztec had come out and a major keyhole's

1583
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:57,599
book on ufos had come out and the

1584
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,079
canadians made inquiries through the

1585
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,480
military attache at the canadian embassy

1586
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:04,880
asking american officials is this for

1587
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,160
real is one of the only respected top

1588
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,480
secret documents in the ufo world the

1589
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,160
canadian government does not deny this

1590
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,000
is not the top secret document it is not

1591
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:15,920
a legitimate document is not what we say

1592
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:18,559
it is and in that document the canadians

1593
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,520
are told

1594
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,079
through the the military attache flying

1595
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,079
saucers exist it's the most highly

1596
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,240
classified subject in the united states

1597
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,559
it's of tremendous significance and a

1598
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,359
group headed by vanvar bush is running

1599
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,359
the show that's basically what the

1600
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,000
canadians are told the document is filed

1601
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,480
in canada and so

1602
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:41,040
right from the word go it appears that

1603
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,400
everybody knew right from the word go

1604
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,920
what was going on the canadians knew

1605
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,240
okay yes but what other crash retrieval

1606
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:48,079
episode are we talking about well we

1607
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,520
don't we don't know all we know is what

1608
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:51,200
was in the top secret document which is

1609
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:53,839
not a disputed document we we do

1610
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,799
then okay but specifically other than

1611
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:58,000
roswell

1612
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,920
what other place what city what date

1613
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,160
what time well we don't know we all we

1614
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,079
have is what we have is a top secret

1615
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:06,160
document that says it's for real and the

1616
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:07,200
canadian

1617
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,480
yeah but just saying it's for real

1618
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:09,839
doesn't prove there was another crash

1619
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,839
retrieval it says that the flying

1620
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,839
saucers is real now there's a story that

1621
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,160
that wilbur smith that all his his

1622
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:18,480
people working with wilbur smith the the

1623
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,760
government people working with him there

1624
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,280
was a rumor story that smith had been

1625
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,960
shown a craft

1626
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,559
outside of washington

1627
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,160
and that he had seen the craft and he'd

1628
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,240
seen the bodies now where that came from

1629
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:30,799
who knows i just questioned his son

1630
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,760
and jim who was the oldest son and i

1631
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,520
said to jim did your father ever tell

1632
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,680
you that story and he said yes my father

1633
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,280
told me a story just before he died he

1634
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:41,520
confirmed to me yes that he had seen the

1635
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,720
craft and he had seen the bodies and

1636
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:46,799
then i said were they grace and he said

1637
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:47,599
no

1638
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:51,599
they were what was being described at

1639
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,400
the time

1640
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,480
little people so i mean where the craft

1641
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,160
came from who knows i mean i'm just

1642
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,319
tracking the the high level people what

1643
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,240
the high level people are are dealing

1644
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,319
with when it comes to details you get

1645
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,720
into the same mishmash of trying to

1646
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:06,400
prove this person said this this person

1647
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:07,359
said that

1648
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,480
you're very

1649
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,559
almost never going to prove that there's

1650
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,799
a crash but you are going to be able to

1651
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:15,200
look at different aspects of what

1652
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:17,040
government people are saying uh the

1653
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,799
whole story about the the blue room

1654
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,960
thing you can take the the george knapp

1655
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,480
story uh

1656
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,640
he has this high level witness where

1657
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,240
the guy basically

1658
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,720
george knapp tracks this guy down he

1659
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,240
says if this guy knows he's one of the

1660
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:32,160
top guys from eg that started the whole

1661
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,200
thing he says

1662
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,359
if this story is true this guy will know

1663
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,960
and he gets to know the guy and he told

1664
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,960
this story on your show he gets to know

1665
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,559
the guy he goes to meetings where this

1666
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,720
guy's at and he basically makes friends

1667
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,640
with this guy the guy invites him to his

1668
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,280
house to to look at test site

1669
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,839
photographs for with doing the nuclear

1670
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,760
stuff that was done up there and he gets

1671
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:53,680
there and he says to george he says you

1672
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,119
didn't come here to talk about the

1673
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,960
nuclear test i did yeah and george says

1674
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,960
no i didn't and he said you came to talk

1675
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,720
about ufos didn't you and george said

1676
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,280
yeah and george said it took six months

1677
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:05,520
meetings in the morning breakfast

1678
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:06,799
meetings lunch meetings he wasn't

1679
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:08,319
allowed to take notes he wasn't allowed

1680
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,079
to tape he'd run out of the meetings and

1681
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:11,839
write down what this guy had said and

1682
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,520
basically and this comes to george

1683
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:16,000
knapp's respectability and his

1684
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:18,559
reputation in the ufo field the guy said

1685
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:21,280
yes it's all true absolutely true back

1686
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,960
engineering the crafts and then george

1687
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,559
says what you're back engineering this

1688
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,640
stuff are we afraid the story was going

1689
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:28,319
to get out and the guy said no

1690
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:29,839
we have so much more to talk about as

1691
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,000
you see a single question may have

1692
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,880
listed 100 more

1693
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,319
and where do we go from here grant

1694
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:38,799
cameron joining gene and chris you're in

1695
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:41,130
the paracast

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chris is taking on his et voice ladies

1807
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:15,039
and gentlemen or is that the trickster

1808
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,040
voice or is that the gin voice i don't

1809
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,359
know no that was the knowing insider

1810
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:21,520
voice grant cameron joining us the book

1811
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,080
ufos area 51 and government informants

1812
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,000
so many thousands of questions to ask

1813
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:28,080
here and as i said i have a real good

1814
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,239
one gene from conrad hartman that sure

1815
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:33,120
is right perfectly uh timed here might

1816
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:35,120
it be possible grant that the roswell

1817
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,400
event was either staged by the

1818
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,159
government elements or if there was an

1819
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:40,960
actual et crash or sufficient public

1820
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,040
belief in one maybe this is being

1821
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,880
exploited by these government elements

1822
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,120
as a psychological experiment to study

1823
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,960
the following the ability to introduce

1824
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,719
information or disinformation to the

1825
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,960
population through unofficial routes the

1826
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,880
flow of that information how it travels

1827
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,560
and who communicates it how the

1828
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,560
information changes in the retelling the

1829
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,080
extent to which information can be

1830
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:02,239
manipulated after it's been released as

1831
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,719
a test testing the level of internal

1832
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,239
security of air force or other

1833
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:08,880
organizational personnel good question

1834
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,440
sure that's part of it sure that they do

1835
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:13,279
track how people are reacting stuff they

1836
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:15,759
did lots of psychological tests related

1837
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,640
to

1838
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,000
various things sure that's part of it

1839
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,159
but it still comes down to are you going

1840
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,560
to go through this whole elaborate thing

1841
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,040
for 65 years to test something that

1842
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,279
could backfire on you the area 51 story

1843
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,040
is an example of how it backfired where

1844
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:31,759
they gave it to bob lazar as i point out

1845
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:35,359
in the book when bob lazar went to eg

1846
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,799
for the interviews in november of 1988

1847
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,239
the first question in the second

1848
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:42,239
interview is what's your relationship to

1849
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:43,839
john lear and what do you think about

1850
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:46,480
him so before bob lazar ever went on the

1851
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:49,040
test site they knew that he knew john

1852
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:50,799
lear and so they take him up to the test

1853
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,640
sites whatever he saw at the test site

1854
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:54,080
you can't believe anything of what he

1855
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:55,280
saw at the test site even though he

1856
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,880
passed the lie detector test he's just

1857
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:58,880
describing what he saw he could have

1858
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:00,880
been totally set up for that sure and

1859
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,719
yeah and that's my contention of the

1860
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:05,040
book is that he was set up so they got

1861
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,800
this material they wanted the idea that

1862
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,480
they had the the back engineering stuff

1863
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:11,040
at area 51 and they had the live alien

1864
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:13,280
at air 51 and they wanted that to get

1865
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,040
out because what they do is they use

1866
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:18,080
people who have backgrounds where it's

1867
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,000
questionable so they knew that

1868
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,159
psychological profiling can identify

1869
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:24,000
these people fairly easily yeah so they

1870
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,520
know that lazar is going to go back and

1871
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,600
give this stuff to john lear and what

1872
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:29,120
they figure because at that time john

1873
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:30,640
lear had just gotten into the ufo thing

1874
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,320
he'd gotten in the mj-12 thing and he's

1875
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:33,600
running around the bill cooper's stuff

1876
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:34,800
and he was talking about the underground

1877
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,760
bases

1878
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,360
and the lyric hypothesis that's don't

1879
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,360
forget so all this crazy stuff so who

1880
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,600
better to give the material to than john

1881
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:42,960
lear the material will come out that

1882
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,480
we've got crafts at area 51 and we've

1883
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:46,080
got a live alien everybody's going to

1884
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,000
say oh john lear said it who you know

1885
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:50,320
he's kind of a crazy guy and it's going

1886
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,760
to be a three-day news cycle it's going

1887
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:54,000
to die like the the chase brandon story

1888
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:55,280
the idea is going to get out and

1889
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:56,480
nobody's going to question it what they

1890
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didn't realize was that george knapp was

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going to get authorization from his boss

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at kls tv and said get to the bottom of

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the story and and that's when it started

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to go south on them and the story

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started to take off and billy goodman

1896
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had his radio show and they had buses

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going up into the the hills to look over

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area 51 and suddenly the security the

1899
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whole base was under attack they had to

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take more land to move people farther

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01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,719
away so they couldn't look at this kind

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01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,480
of stuff and george knapp started to get

1903
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,159
all these witnesses and he i believe he

1904
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:26,080
told this story on your show as well

1905
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,000
where he gets all these witnesses and i

1906
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:29,600
just had breakfast with him a couple

1907
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:31,199
weeks ago in las vegas and he was

1908
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,560
telling me the story again and he said

1909
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,480
unless you were there unless you were

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01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,159
actually involved in this thing you

1911
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,920
cannot believe how real this thing was

1912
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,520
as it was happening and he talks about

1913
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,600
the six witnesses back to back to back

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to back where a woman for example who

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01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:45,840
worked for one of the contractors who

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01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:48,000
nap had tracked down she was going to go

1917
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,760
on camera she had been involved when

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01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,840
they were moving the material from the

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01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,520
the blue room at wright patterson air

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force base they were moving the the

1921
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,840
crafts the bodies whatever to area 51 he

1922
01:12:01,510 --> 01:12:00,000
has her she's going to go on camera she

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01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,520
gets a visit the very morning she's

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01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,120
going to go on camera and they come to

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01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,880
her and they say we just want to remind

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you you got a security clearance we know

1927
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you visit your daughter in los angeles

1928
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,840
we'd hate to have an accident in the

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desert and knapp says she goes down and

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one after another six witnesses in a row

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01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,600
who all telling the same story all get

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threatened and nobody will go on camera

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01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,159
and he said that's the part that really

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impressed him was that unless you were

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there you saw how this was happening

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that there was a reaction to what was

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01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:29,840
going on here and this thing was true

1938
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:32,480
and people will say the story relies on

1939
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,440
on lazar he's got a bad background and

1940
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,440
so the story is not true you don't need

1941
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,440
lazar you don't need any of that part of

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01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:41,280
the story all you need is just creates

1943
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,520
plausible deniability yeah so all you

1944
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,520
need is is george knapp who had most

1945
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,520
people don't know had over two dozen

1946
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,760
other witnesses that confirmed exac all

1947
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,840
the same stuff that that lazar was

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01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:53,520
talking about he got it from all

1949
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:55,360
different other sources so the story is

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01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:56,159
true

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01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,960
but they used this guy who had a bad

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01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:01,040
background it's irrelevant it's the

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01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,400
basically trying to figure out what the

1954
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,320
story is and it comes down to the number

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01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:06,640
of witnesses that if george knapp tells

1956
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,280
me he's got two dozen plus witnesses who

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01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:11,600
basically say this story is true i i

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01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:15,040
take that based on his his respected

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01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,480
position in

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01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,400
journalism as that's probably going to

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01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,400
be the true story that leads me to a

1962
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:23,199
really good question from joeyk22

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01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,560
who's a longtime poster at

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01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,480
forum.theparacast.com

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01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,719
and he asked if a roswell or kecksburg

1966
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:30,800
type crash happened today would the

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01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,159
government be able to contain

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01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,920
information from the site assuming there

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01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:35,840
are witnesses given that in today's

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01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,920
world we have instant communication the

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01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,159
internet digital phones cell phones uh

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01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:42,320
digital uh you know photography what

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01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:44,560
would happen if we had an actual crash

1974
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,840
today how do you think the government

1975
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:47,360
would handle that i think the

1976
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,360
government's got this absolutely 100

1977
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:51,040
under control i mean there is something

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01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,560
where if something crashed in the middle

1979
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:54,000
of a city or something i think they've

1980
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,440
got it all under control i don't think

1981
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:57,280
they really worry too much about being

1982
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,719
able to control

1983
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,480
i mean you're talking about this one

1984
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,800
scenario that might get out of hand but

1985
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,320
i think basically they're not too

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01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,159
worried about the control of the actual

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01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:08,560
evidence and the the crash type stuff i

1988
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:09,520
i think they've got it pretty well

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01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:10,719
perfected that's just my personal

1990
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,560
opinion yes but if something like this

1991
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,199
happened in not even a populated area

1992
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:17,520
small town like an aztec new mexico and

1993
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,880
there's a crash the blogosphere the

1994
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:23,040
twitter generation and the facebook

1995
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:25,280
generation would be all over it and

1996
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:26,719
before the government could get out

1997
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,199
there you'll have tens of thousands of

1998
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,760
people lining up to see what went on

1999
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:33,199
well there have been these these

2000
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,640
incidents shag harbor in in canada

2001
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:38,159
sure but we're talking about something

2002
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:40,000
that's very different okay but you're

2003
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,440
talking about the ultimate scenario

2004
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:43,440
where they can't really control it but

2005
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:45,040
they can they can seal off a site

2006
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,400
there's there's all sorts of stories

2007
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,239
that have been out there that you know

2008
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,239
there was a crash here crash there and

2009
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:52,080
someone saw this someone saw that i've

2010
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,920
heard piles of these stories and it

2011
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,440
always comes down to the fact that you

2012
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:57,440
have a three-day news cycle you have

2013
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,920
nobody in the media who could care less

2014
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,679
about this subject they are not going to

2015
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:03,440
do it and unless you get george knapp

2016
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:04,880
who worked on this story for six to

2017
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:06,480
eight months you're not going to get it

2018
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:08,239
let's take the chase brandon story prime

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01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,400
example here's a guy 42

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years in the cia the second most

2021
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powerful person inside the cia other

2022
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than the director of the cia to speak on

2023
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,400
behalf of the cia in public comes out

2024
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,800
and says roswell is real it involved

2025
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:25,199
bodies it went huffington post lease

2026
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,800
beagle put it on got a million and a

2027
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,640
half hits in a couple of days and i had

2028
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,560
on my website you could see this

2029
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,400
dropping like a stone the numbers were

2030
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,640
dropping nobody picked it up steve

2031
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,320
spiegel went off and did a story about

2032
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:38,320
the british releasing ufo documents he

2033
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:39,760
goes on to the next thing and that's the

2034
01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:41,840
problem is that you can get a story and

2035
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:43,760
it'll go but it will not gain any

2036
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,719
momentum because the main people in the

2037
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media who control the thing aren't

2038
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:49,840
really interested in the story and it

2039
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:52,000
will never get any any footage the chase

2040
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,080
brandon story is a prime example it died

2041
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,640
it was you figure like wow nobody

2042
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,560
questioned the guy nobody went after the

2043
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,800
story it just in three days it was over

2044
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:02,400
and everybody was on to the next story

2045
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,760
and that's one of the problems we have

2046
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:05,679
in ufology is we're always trying to

2047
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:07,040
chase the next story we're looking for

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the messiah we're looking for the person

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who has all the answers we're looking

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01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,440
for that ultimate case that's going to

2051
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break it so the jerusalem video comes

2052
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out and everybody chases after jerusalem

2053
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video and then they say oh that's a hoax

2054
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and they chase after the next thing and

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they've got us running and everybody's

2056
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just running after the next case

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nobody's actually doing any research

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everybody thinks that there's one case

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that's going to break it all and

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everybody's waiting for it and i say

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it's not going to happen

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okay

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grant you crack me up man and you're so

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right with gene and chris and the power

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cast talking to grand cameron now

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01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:17,760
there's one thing though about that

2173
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,000
question yeah if a talking head even

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01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:22,320
from the cia says something

2175
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:24,000
okay it may disappear from the news

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01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:26,400
cycle i am talking about the actual

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01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,679
event

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01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,960
it's not going to be so easy with the

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01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,560
actual event

2180
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:32,159
that's going to bring some coverage it

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01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:33,679
has to

2182
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,800
yeah

2183
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,239
oh well i mean you you could take

2184
01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:38,400
stories like now it depends who gives it

2185
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,679
out i mean you've got steven greer

2186
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:41,440
running around now with an alien and

2187
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:42,880
says he's got this alien they're doing

2188
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:44,640
the dna tests and i mean is that thing

2189
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:46,640
taken off well yeah but you know stephen

2190
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:47,920
greer i don't think people believe

2191
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:50,239
anymore exactly so it comes down

2192
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:51,679
everybody's gonna have an excuse this

2193
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:52,960
guy's got this problem this guy's got

2194
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:55,280
that problem and we kill the story in

2195
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,440
ufology doesn't matter what the story is

2196
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,760
we'll kill the story well that leads me

2197
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:01,920
to another question from conrad hartman

2198
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:03,280
and that is

2199
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,120
stephen grier has experienced severe

2200
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,760
criticism in some paranormal discussions

2201
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:09,520
do you think he's been treated fairly

2202
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:11,360
what is your opinion of his work no i

2203
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:12,719
don't think he's been treated fairly i

2204
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:16,000
know back in the 1970s when we were

2205
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,679
working on the thing one of the things i

2206
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,760
always people sort of laugh at him is he

2207
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:22,239
does these ce5 things out in the desert

2208
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:23,520
and he's flashing lights at them and

2209
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:25,920
doing all this kind of stuff i know from

2210
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,560
fact back in 1975-76

2211
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:30,239
when long before stephen greer was

2212
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,199
around we had these objects very close

2213
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:34,880
we had a number of very close encounters

2214
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,960
this is a flap that went on in a town

2215
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,719
for about a year and a half almost every

2216
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,080
night we're flashing lights and let me

2217
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,159
tell you it works i mean it's it's and

2218
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:44,639
we have other cases of people stuff so i

2219
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:46,800
think he's been treated in all the stuff

2220
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:48,639
i've done i've

2221
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:51,440
dealt with with his stories in terms of

2222
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:53,600
the the clinton administration because

2223
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,000
my expertise was the the president's

2224
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,159
he's told the truth every single time

2225
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,080
basically the other people he's he

2226
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:02,560
embellishes and and and overstates

2227
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:04,960
things he'll spin it he's launched his

2228
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:06,880
dinner with woolsey is a classic example

2229
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:08,719
but but graham let me let me back you up

2230
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:10,960
on let me back you up on one thing here

2231
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,480
i was the one that turned stephen greer

2232
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:14,159
on to crestone where he's had more of

2233
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:16,719
his i think 19 uh

2234
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,120
years running he's had his ce5 trainings

2235
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:21,280
there and back when i was there in the

2236
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:23,760
90s i'm telling you every time he showed

2237
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:25,840
up and started flashing his lights

2238
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:28,400
around we had sightings all around the

2239
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,800
valley but they they tended to be

2240
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,400
everywhere but in crest stone where he

2241
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:34,400
was flashing the lights

2242
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,800
interestingly enough well the c5 thing

2243
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:38,880
is is i mean that's something the

2244
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:40,880
wolseley thing i say absolutely true

2245
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:44,239
absolutely he was dead on they did john

2246
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:45,679
peterson had followed him around the

2247
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:47,679
country to four different lectures he

2248
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,520
john peterson had contacted him in

2249
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:52,080
colorado and said i've got someone you

2250
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:53,600
got to meet he's the one that set up the

2251
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:55,360
meeting that was all true and and then

2252
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:56,560
later on

2253
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:57,920
they make the denial they say oh it's

2254
01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:00,239
not true he's lying and then peterson

2255
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:01,840
gets caught a second time he gets caught

2256
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:03,920
telling the story to katherine austin

2257
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:05,440
fitz the same thing and then it was like

2258
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,040
oh catherine austin fitz is lying about

2259
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:09,600
this thing about there's live aliens

2260
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,679
among us and all the stories that she

2261
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:13,679
told and she wasn't even in ufology she

2262
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:15,920
was prominent person but she basically

2263
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,760
backed up the fact that that peterson

2264
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,679
was was covering for himself i i

2265
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:21,840
disagree i think that that the material

2266
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,600
that he has i went and got all the

2267
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,199
material from the clinton library when

2268
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:26,880
he said that he provided this material

2269
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,679
to clinton the briefing material i saw

2270
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,600
it all it's there there's 900 pages of

2271
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,199
material he was putting a lot of

2272
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:34,800
material in the clinton administration

2273
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:36,719
and you can spin the thing about you

2274
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:37,920
know

2275
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,840
the fact that he he'll spin the stuff

2276
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:42,239
yes that he's he's egotistical but i say

2277
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:43,920
you got to separate the fact that he's a

2278
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:46,560
total idiot he's egotistical from what

2279
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:48,400
he's actually saying i mean because well

2280
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:49,840
that's true nobody is is actually

2281
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,320
suggesting that stephen greer hasn't

2282
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:54,480
really busted ass and and really come up

2283
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,760
with some some some amazing examples

2284
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,760
leslie kane criticized him greatly she

2285
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:01,600
was on his she was working for him and

2286
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,719
the thing was he didn't vet his

2287
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:04,080
witnesses right and all this sort of

2288
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:05,600
stuff and then she comes out with her

2289
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,159
book which is very prominent that gets

2290
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,639
great reviews and basically all she did

2291
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,560
was take his disclosure witnesses the

2292
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:15,199
ones that she respected and went through

2293
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:17,120
and took his material and put a book out

2294
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:18,960
on it it was basically the same thing so

2295
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,880
he's getting criticism from one side and

2296
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:22,560
yet people are using his witnesses and

2297
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,920
the whole thing about the other problem

2298
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,440
that he had that i disagree with people

2299
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:27,280
say well he didn't vet his witnesses

2300
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,719
well anybody who's been in the field

2301
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,560
knows i mean if you've got 400 witnesses

2302
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,320
and you you've got to spend 20 thousand

2303
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:34,400
dollars to that a witness nobody in the

2304
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:36,080
ufo community's got that kind of stuff

2305
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,719
so i think it's it's it's not proper to

2306
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,280
get him for not going through all 400

2307
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,440
witnesses and spending you know 15

2308
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,360
million dollars making sure that they

2309
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:48,000
every t was crossed and every eye was

2310
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,360
dotted when it comes to the witnesses

2311
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:52,320
it's it's a tough tough goal that to get

2312
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:54,719
a witness even one witness is to try to

2313
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:56,960
vet one to see whether you're being set

2314
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:59,199
up is a is a problem so

2315
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,719
i think he's been treated unfairly

2316
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,560
although he sort of

2317
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,320
the way he treats people and the way he

2318
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:06,000
he deals i think he's got a lot of it

2319
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:07,679
coming to himself

2320
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,440
you know the the grandstanding the

2321
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,960
self-aggrandization

2322
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:11,920
um

2323
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:14,239
some of the ego issues i told him back

2324
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,679
in 93

2325
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,440
point point blank in front of some very

2326
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,040
uh high-heeled hip uh people

2327
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:21,120
rockefeller's right-hand man

2328
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,920
uh bootsy galbraith sandy wright uh some

2329
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:25,280
some real high-powered people in the

2330
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:27,199
room and and i told him stephen you

2331
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:29,040
gotta understand your message is more

2332
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,639
important than you are and i had to

2333
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,320
repeat it three times because he didn't

2334
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:34,159
get it he doesn't seem to still get it

2335
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,679
because he's still promoting himself

2336
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,679
i'll still say that today that you

2337
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:41,040
cannot assume the mantle of the messiah

2338
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:43,360
and self-appoint yourself as the

2339
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:46,000
ambassador to the universe and train

2340
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:47,920
people and charge copious amounts of

2341
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:50,719
money and expect to be taken seriously

2342
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:53,040
that denigrates all the good work that

2343
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:55,360
you're doing and it really is

2344
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:57,199
unfortunate well i totally agree with

2345
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,520
that and in in the ufology there's no

2346
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:01,760
money so the people who want the ego are

2347
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,920
the people who who push that's all there

2348
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:06,000
is in in ufology is ego because there's

2349
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:09,040
really no money and i i go back to

2350
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:10,560
when you compare him you've got to

2351
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:13,040
compare everybody else that any high

2352
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,960
level really high level thing where

2353
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,040
somebody gets to the top of a field

2354
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:19,440
they're usually as egotistical as as as

2355
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:20,880
he is i mean you take the presidents i

2356
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:22,560
mean they're they're just

2357
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:24,639
you have to have an ego

2358
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:25,440
uh

2359
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:27,040
just like

2360
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:28,960
unbelievable ego to to get there because

2361
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:30,880
you can't take the criticism

2362
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:32,239
by the time you get to be the president

2363
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:33,920
that well you have to be either made a

2364
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:35,760
teflon or have a

2365
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:38,639
you know a teflon you know coating or or

2366
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:42,639
be made of cast iron or tensile steel

2367
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:45,280
yeah so i mean i i agree with a lot of

2368
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:46,880
what you're saying on greer when it

2369
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,040
comes to his his actual is he telling

2370
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:50,880
the truth i think

2371
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:52,320
the vast majority of times he's telling

2372
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,719
the truth but he's he's spinning it to

2373
01:27:57,870 --> 01:27:56,239
his own uh

2374
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:57,880
to his own

2375
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,360
self-aggrandizement i guess you can't

2376
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,719
okay well here's a question from

2377
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,400
slightly above par

2378
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:06,400
who's one of our uh

2379
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,719
uh he's almost celebrating a year as a

2380
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,040
poster at forum.paracast.com

2381
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:13,520
i like that name slightly slightly above

2382
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,920
heart i love it yeah yeah i think i

2383
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,840
resemble that remark well of course you

2384
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,920
do that do i i'm actually slightly below

2385
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:22,000
par because i never learned golf oh

2386
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,760
forget it

2387
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:26,000
well i'm a bogey golfer so so it works

2388
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:28,320
for me have you ever investigated any

2389
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:30,800
well-known ufo crash claims only to find

2390
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:32,960
out that they were conclusively fiction

2391
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:35,199
or readily explained as terrestrial and

2392
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:36,800
he says don't get me wrong i think there

2393
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,280
have been real ufo crashes however i'm

2394
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:41,360
left wondering if any of the sacred cow

2395
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:43,360
examples are more fiction than fact of

2396
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,199
course you know we could leave roswell

2397
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:47,520
and i think aztec aside because we've

2398
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,280
already pretty much discussed them but

2399
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:50,880
are there any other crashes that you

2400
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:53,440
feel people have taken as as being

2401
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:55,600
legitimate that uh

2402
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:57,360
you you pretty much conclusively

2403
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,679
concluded that they're they're fiction

2404
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:01,679
and before you answer that grant before

2405
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:03,520
you answer that okay you have about a

2406
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:05,280
minute or a minute and a half so you can

2407
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:07,199
start your answer in this segment and

2408
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:09,199
then feel free to pick it up in our next

2409
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:11,360
go ahead please okay the only one that i

2410
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:12,639
can think of

2411
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:14,159
as i said i really haven't worked too

2412
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:16,400
much on crashes interviewing people with

2413
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:19,280
crashes there was one outside of ottawa

2414
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:22,320
canada that bob ecksler was pushing a

2415
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:26,000
number of years ago um that one was that

2416
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,920
the guardian case or regarding i think

2417
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,679
the guardian case that one i it was all

2418
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:30,960
there was all this excitement i sort of

2419
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:33,040
chased that the one example i can sort

2420
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of give you is i did do the scully thing

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i went and found because i knew scully

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had moved his files to the university of

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wyoming i went to the university of

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wyoming i looked through

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probably 10 000 pages of material and

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there was really nothing there that was

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concrete that backed up the aztec thing

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i was looking for the names of the eight

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scientists i was looking for you know

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some letter except for this alien live

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alien letter there was really nothing in

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the files that really showed that he had

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anything

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uh secret outside what he put in the

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book so i was kind of disappointed in

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that

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so many questions so little time

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i'll tell you

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the book by the way is called ufos area

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51 and government informants

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it's a report on government involvement

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in ufo crash retrievals but looks like

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there aren't too many crash refriger

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stick your teeth into or maybe there are

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hi this is nick pope you're listening to

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the power card

2554
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with gene and chris and the power cast

2555
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we're talking to grant cameron we have a

2556
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:03,920
roughly five segments to go for this

2557
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:05,040
episode

2558
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and we're not going to get to all the

2559
01:35:10,709 --> 01:35:08,400
questions but we're going to mow through

2560
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:10,719
them and see what we can do chris

2561
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okay

2562
01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:13,440
this is from

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blabby boy and i'll tell you he

2564
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:17,199
definitely grant sets a record for the

2565
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:19,920
number of questions in a single post for

2566
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,239
a single guest i

2567
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:24,000
i you know there's a bunch of crash

2568
01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:26,239
retrieval ones here i think i think the

2569
01:35:29,590 --> 01:35:27,679
subtitle is

2570
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:29,600
is kind of giving people a little bit of

2571
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:30,400
a

2572
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:34,719
you know

2573
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:36,639
basically i think what he's i'm going to

2574
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,719
try to sum up several of these questions

2575
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:40,800
into one question which has to do with

2576
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:43,280
the question of of crash retrievals but

2577
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:45,040
basically i think what he wants to know

2578
01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:48,239
is does the u.s actually re recover

2579
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:51,199
craft from across the globe or is this

2580
01:35:54,629 --> 01:35:52,560
you know primarily something that they

2581
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:54,639
do only in u.s territory

2582
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:57,360
and then what where do they take them i

2583
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:59,280
mean what do we actually really know

2584
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:01,360
about government involvement in in crash

2585
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:02,639
retrievals

2586
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:04,080
from what i'm hearing from you we really

2587
01:36:09,110 --> 01:36:05,760
don't know much there's very little

2588
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,120
besides roswell um we don't really have

2589
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,360
smoking gun evidence of course you know

2590
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:13,679
uh len stringfield's work suggests that

2591
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,040
there have been a number of crashes

2592
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:17,520
around but again a lot of the evidence

2593
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:18,560
that he

2594
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:21,360
purports in in uh what was the name of

2595
01:36:27,110 --> 01:36:24,159
the red what was the name of the lens

2596
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:27,120
situation read situation red right a lot

2597
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:28,480
of those are

2598
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:30,800
equivocal i mean there's no real smoking

2599
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:32,480
gun evidence that any of those events

2600
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,960
really happened so what do you think

2601
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:36,960
about this idea of the the government

2602
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:38,880
having a crash retrieval team running

2603
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:41,360
around the globe buying off people you

2604
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:44,560
know putting up a blanket of secrecy and

2605
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:46,639
security around these these crash sites

2606
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:47,840
uh

2607
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:49,600
do you think any of these things are

2608
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:53,119
actually uh touted as as et craft when

2609
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:55,360
it's actually our own technology

2610
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:56,639
um

2611
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:58,400
what sort of diversionary tactics do

2612
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:00,800
they use what do we actually know

2613
01:37:05,109 --> 01:37:03,280
okay let let me deal with uh it's quite

2614
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,119
a few questions um

2615
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:07,360
the virginia one i this is not in the

2616
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:09,840
book but i worked on it as uh part of

2617
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:11,679
the the presidential research there was

2618
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:12,480
a

2619
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,639
check out but when it comes to the the

2620
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,560
real document of you know

2621
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:42,560
the the discussions all this kind of

2622
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:44,000
stuff it was it was still came down to

2623
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:45,119
just rumor

2624
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:47,600
uh when it comes to crashes the one that

2625
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:49,520
we do have in the book that was kind of

2626
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:51,679
significant uh

2627
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:53,520
when in the book we deal with dr eric

2628
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,239
walker who is i think very important we

2629
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:58,320
he had come across through the canadians

2630
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:00,800
the canadians had had

2631
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:02,960
talked to a scientist and this scientist

2632
01:38:08,229 --> 01:38:05,920
had squealed on dr eric walker and stan

2633
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:08,239
friedman had interviewed this guy and

2634
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:10,320
through that interview we we came across

2635
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,000
dr eric walker was the former president

2636
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:14,400
of penn state university for 15 years he

2637
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:15,360
was chairman of the board of the

2638
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:17,040
institute for defense analysis the top

2639
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:18,880
military think tank in the in the united

2640
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:20,719
states chairman of the national science

2641
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:23,199
foundation just 14 honorary doctorate

2642
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:25,520
degrees just unbelievable background and

2643
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,400
in walker's situation there was a very

2644
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:30,480
bizarre sort of case that happened in

2645
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:32,080
terms of stanton friedman tried to

2646
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,280
interview him a number of times and he

2647
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:35,360
really didn't tell stanton very much

2648
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:36,880
except in one interview he said to

2649
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:38,239
stanton he says look

2650
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:39,760
i don't talk about the subject it's not

2651
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:42,080
something i want to talk about he said i

2652
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:43,360
and i haven't been involved in this for

2653
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:44,719
25 years

2654
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:47,199
and this interview took place in 1990.

2655
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:50,080
when we were looking at this material i

2656
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:53,760
went 1990 25 years 1965. he lives in

2657
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:55,920
state college penn state is at state

2658
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,239
college kecksburg pennsylvania is about

2659
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:00,960
100 miles away as the crow flies dr eric

2660
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:03,040
walker had a pilot's license they had a

2661
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,800
training actual pilot training thing at

2662
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,560
penn state university and i'm thinking

2663
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,840
what's the chances that he was at

2664
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:09,679
kecksburg so an interview was done with

2665
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:11,600
dr walker and this is after the book was

2666
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:13,360
released the first time it wasn't in the

2667
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:14,639
original book

2668
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,280
and the question was to him was dr

2669
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:18,960
walker we don't know if this has to do

2670
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:21,199
with ufos but we just want to i want to

2671
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:23,119
ask you a question were you at kecksburg

2672
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:25,600
pennsylvania in december of 1965 and

2673
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:27,600
walker said yeah i was there

2674
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,119
and i was there with two

2675
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:31,280
two military people off duty and they

2676
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:33,920
said well can you tell us was was it a

2677
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:35,360
ufo and he said you keep asking that

2678
01:39:38,229 --> 01:39:36,560
question i said i'm not going to talk to

2679
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:38,239
you about this so we got this sort of

2680
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:40,000
indication that walker had actually

2681
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:44,080
flown on the friday night to to

2682
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,080
to kecksburg pennsylvania

2683
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,560
later on and we had gotten a hold of his

2684
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,400
son because he had

2685
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,320
all his material he had an office at

2686
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:54,960
penn state university and later on we

2687
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,480
talked to his son

2688
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:58,639
and his son confirmed that yes there had

2689
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:59,920
been a file because we knew he had a

2690
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:01,840
file because he was sort of sending one

2691
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,679
letter to somebody in photocopying

2692
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:05,920
letters we knew he was keeping a file on

2693
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:07,280
all these different researchers around

2694
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:08,719
the world who are trying to get him to

2695
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:10,719
talk and so we're looking for this file

2696
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:12,480
so we went to his son and his son says

2697
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:15,280
yes there was a file and it was at the

2698
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:16,719
house it wasn't at penn state it was at

2699
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:19,040
the house and i remember seeing it and

2700
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:20,960
in that file i didn't really read the

2701
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:22,960
details and his son was a medical doctor

2702
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:25,520
he said uh there was description of a

2703
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:28,159
crash in pennsylvania and one in the

2704
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:29,760
west but i really didn't read the

2705
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:32,400
details of it when my father died when i

2706
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:34,000
transferred the files to the rest of the

2707
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:35,280
files from the house to penn state

2708
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:38,239
university the file was gone so walker

2709
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:39,760
had congestive heart failure he knew he

2710
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:42,159
was dying and i guess he cleared it out

2711
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,920
at the end so that was one of the cases

2712
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:45,520
where it was sort of this roundabout

2713
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:47,920
thing that sort of indicated that yes

2714
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:50,480
there was some truth to these uh crash

2715
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,600
reports

2716
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:54,080
that walker uh had been called in and it

2717
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:57,119
gave me the indication that that um he

2718
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:58,719
knew what was going on in the early days

2719
01:41:02,870 --> 01:41:01,119
is when he was first asked about mj 12

2720
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:02,880
that's when he made this statement

2721
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:04,880
and this is 1987 bill steinman

2722
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:07,280
interviews him he's asked about mj the

2723
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,040
mj-12 document which had just been

2724
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:11,600
released in washington by moore friedman

2725
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:13,600
and chanderie and that's at that point

2726
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:16,400
he says look i've known of them for 40

2727
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,400
years leave it alone there's nothing you

2728
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:20,159
can do about it you're up against the

2729
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,320
windmills and basically took that

2730
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:25,199
position but we so we knew that he was

2731
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:26,800
sort of claiming that he'd known about

2732
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:28,560
this mj-12 that he was there at the

2733
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:29,600
beginning when this was all coming

2734
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:31,440
together but when we had this interview

2735
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:33,440
about kecksburg it seemed to indicate

2736
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:34,239
that

2737
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,520
these people

2738
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:37,920
are are out of it in fact he would say i

2739
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:39,119
had other things to do in my life you

2740
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:40,239
know this wasn't the only thing i was

2741
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:42,400
doing i had more important things to do

2742
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:44,320
so when something would happen in the

2743
01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:46,239
area they would have people who knew

2744
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,320
what to do they'd be called in for one

2745
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,800
day two days sort of on contract and

2746
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,560
then go back to their regular lives and

2747
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,159
that's what i think in terms of this

2748
01:41:58,229 --> 01:41:56,480
question of that i think there may be a

2749
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:58,239
team that does this kind of stuff but

2750
01:42:02,470 --> 01:41:59,600
there are people all over the place that

2751
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:02,480
are brought in who are trusted who have

2752
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:04,960
security clearances and they move them

2753
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:07,280
in they move them out and uh they only

2754
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:08,719
have a

2755
01:42:14,310 --> 01:42:11,600
uh you know action or

2756
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:14,320
involvement maybe once every 25 years

2757
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:16,239
that's what we learned from walker

2758
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,159
well do we have any indication that we

2759
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:20,239
have any other hot spot areas this is

2760
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:22,400
another question from black

2761
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:23,840
blabby boy

2762
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:24,719
uh

2763
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:30,080
may have some smoking gun sort of facts

2764
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:32,639
to to to bolster the claims that these

2765
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:35,840
events have occurred um

2766
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:37,199
no well

2767
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,560
again i mean i didn't get into the

2768
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:40,239
actual crashes i was dealing more with

2769
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:41,600
the people that i think were we're

2770
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:43,920
dealing with the crashes there was there

2771
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:45,119
was an interesting story you're talking

2772
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:47,119
about the fact that you know how we

2773
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:50,000
could they could not seal off an area

2774
01:42:53,430 --> 01:42:51,440
and i tell the story i don't think it's

2775
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:53,440
in the book but paula heller actually

2776
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:55,199
tells a story in his book he got it from

2777
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:56,400
me and this came from my father my

2778
01:42:58,870 --> 01:42:57,520
father worked for the department of

2779
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:58,880
transport he was a pilot for the

2780
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:00,800
department of transport here in canada

2781
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:02,480
and he worked for the same uh

2782
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:04,000
organization that wilbur smith who ran

2783
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:05,280
the canadian government flying saucer

2784
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:08,320
program worked for and he had uh told me

2785
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:10,159
about a story about next he was the

2786
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:12,080
accident investigation team in the

2787
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:13,199
department of transport was in my

2788
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:15,199
father's office and they told about a

2789
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:18,000
story this happened in canada along the

2790
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:22,000
saskatchewan manitoba border in 1959

2791
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:23,600
they had seen this thing coming down on

2792
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:25,440
radar they had tracked the thing and

2793
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:27,280
they had given the alert and the guy

2794
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:28,960
that was in the office my father talked

2795
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:31,760
to who went out arrived on the scene and

2796
01:43:34,310 --> 01:43:33,280
he said when he got on the scene they

2797
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:34,320
didn't know what this thing was they

2798
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:35,520
thought it was a youtube but they

2799
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:37,280
weren't sure when he got on the scene

2800
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:39,280
there was a bunch of us military people

2801
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:41,920
surrounding the the object and this guy

2802
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:43,280
said i'm here on behalf of the canadian

2803
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,800
government i'm an action investigation

2804
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:46,639
guy and i'm going to be investigating

2805
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:49,280
the site and apparently this guy had a

2806
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:52,400
rifle or whatever and stuck at his uh

2807
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,480
stomach and said get out of here boy and

2808
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,880
he said no you don't understand i'm here

2809
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:58,560
from the canadian government it is this

2810
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,880
is our jurisdiction this is canada we

2811
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:02,880
have we are here to to investigate this

2812
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:05,440
accident and he said sorry turn around

2813
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:07,119
and leave sir so he went and he made a

2814
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:09,040
phone call and they phoned ottawa which

2815
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:11,040
is the capital the department transport

2816
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:13,440
in in ottawa and they described the

2817
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:14,880
whole situation the americans have got

2818
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,119
something surrounded on the ground here

2819
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:18,800
and they're refusing us

2820
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:20,639
authorization to go on to the site and

2821
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:22,560
they said hang on they phone them half

2822
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,520
an hour later they the headquarters in

2823
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,600
ottawa phones back and says leave them

2824
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:29,280
alone let them do what they're doing and

2825
01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:30,719
that was the end of it and we just built

2826
01:44:34,149 --> 01:44:32,000
we don't even know we just believe it

2827
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:34,159
was a u2 that it crashed it come over

2828
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,360
they saw it coming over the poles the

2829
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,679
radar picked it up but we don't know

2830
01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:39,600
what it was that the americans recovered

2831
01:44:43,510 --> 01:44:41,920
in canada so they i think they have the

2832
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:43,520
capability to surround this stuff i

2833
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:44,800
think they they beat the canadian

2834
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:46,480
investigators to this to the scene and

2835
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:48,880
it wasn't even their country so i i

2836
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:51,199
think they have but in terms of any

2837
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:52,800
specific crash

2838
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:53,840
um

2839
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,239
i i i really haven't worked on you know

2840
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:58,800
trying to prove a crash was a crash i've

2841
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:00,800
been more interested in the people who i

2842
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:02,960
think were dealing with the material and

2843
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:05,119
the places where they took it and and

2844
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:06,960
how they've handled the it at the

2845
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:08,719
government level that's intriguing

2846
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:10,719
that's very intriguing but we've got to

2847
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,520
do the break now so stand by okay so

2848
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:15,280
many more questions from that one guest

2849
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:17,199
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2850
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2875
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2876
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2877
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2878
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2879
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2880
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2882
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2885
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2886
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2887
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2888
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2889
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:48,400
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2890
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2891
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did to treat it with heart and body

2892
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2893
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2894
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2895
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in my uh right leg that would happen

2896
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2897
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2900
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2901
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2907
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2909
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2911
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2912
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2913
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:55,199
and now

2914
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:04,310
chris is busy consolidating two dozen

2915
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:06,880
questions from one of our loyal

2916
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:08,880
listeners this sets a record maybe we

2917
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:11,040
should have a contest who can ask the

2918
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:12,400
most questions

2919
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,920
we send them a t-shirt or something wait

2920
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:15,600
a minute gene if it's my job to read the

2921
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:17,760
questions please don't do that

2922
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:19,119
actually what we want to do ladies and

2923
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,199
gentlemen is to give chris more work to

2924
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:23,920
do each question can be no shorter than

2925
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:30,070
stop stop stop well let me go beyond he

2926
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:32,080
has a lot of questions about the actual

2927
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:33,600
machinations of the government's

2928
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,800
response to crash uh retrieval you know

2929
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,400
reports and that sort of thing let's

2930
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,320
kind of scoot forward here a little bit

2931
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,480
and just a couple of general questions

2932
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,159
what case do you think has the best

2933
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:47,119
evidence of proof uh in terms of a crash

2934
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:50,480
retrieval let's say besides roswell well

2935
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:52,159
roswell will be number one i think

2936
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:54,639
keksburg is um

2937
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:56,960
a pretty good case i think the virginia

2938
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:58,560
case is pretty good

2939
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,320
was it some sort of soviet satellite

2940
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,480
that crashed was it something you see

2941
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,560
well it was a soviet soviet i argued

2942
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,880
with james oberg just after

2943
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:08,880
you know in the 1990s about that whole

2944
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:11,679
thing and i actually got leslie kane got

2945
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:14,000
the same material from the expert in

2946
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:17,199
nassau the guy who's in charge of all

2947
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:18,320
reentering

2948
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:20,159
i think his name was johnson all the

2949
01:49:23,590 --> 01:49:21,679
stuff that reenters the earth's

2950
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:23,600
atmosphere this guy's the expert on it

2951
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:25,360
and he stated absolutely was not a

2952
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:27,360
soviet spacecraft did he come in in the

2953
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:30,159
morning and it'd come in over canada and

2954
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:32,719
stated in in writing that there was no

2955
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:35,199
way this was any sort of piece of

2956
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:38,800
re-entering uh space debris so it wasn't

2957
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:40,320
that we basically just have this

2958
01:49:44,709 --> 01:49:43,199
description that it was uh some object

2959
01:49:46,629 --> 01:49:44,719
that had this sort of writing on the

2960
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,639
side of it and the witnesses all

2961
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:48,080
described to be taken right back in

2962
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:49,920
their first base and this building sort

2963
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,639
of being built around it again it's like

2964
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:54,159
once they seal it off that's why i think

2965
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:55,440
the government has completely got this

2966
01:49:59,830 --> 01:49:57,440
under control that if unless you've got

2967
01:50:03,430 --> 01:49:59,840
a lot of stuff within the first 24 hours

2968
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:03,440
they seal it off and it's gone forever

2969
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:06,880
boy yeah they put the lid down on on uh

2970
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:08,639
events especially when it when it deals

2971
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:10,960
with with our own technology but

2972
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:12,719
obviously if this is the highest

2973
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:15,280
classified uh area because it does cross

2974
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:17,679
over i mean these guys are experts at

2975
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:18,960
recovering i mean you've read these

2976
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:20,880
stories about the the broken arrows and

2977
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:22,800
all this kind of stuff and and years

2978
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:24,320
later all these these books are coming

2979
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:26,639
out now about all these uh these nuclear

2980
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:28,320
accidents where planes crashed and and

2981
01:50:31,590 --> 01:50:30,239
they got in secretly and you know

2982
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:31,600
removed the bombs and all this kind of

2983
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:34,000
stuff that that they work with not just

2984
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:36,000
ufos they do the nuclear stuff

2985
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:37,679
recovering that kind of stuff plane

2986
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,400
crashes there's even this uh story and

2987
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:42,480
again it's sort of an example of how you

2988
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,119
twist the story there's a story um we

2989
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:47,520
tell in the book about this ufo cover-up

2990
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,480
live 1988 which i say is an extremely

2991
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,719
significant dump of material by the cia

2992
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:54,719
into the public in that thing they

2993
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:57,040
describe the remote viewing program if

2994
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:59,199
you look at the flow chart in 1988 they

2995
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:01,280
on this tv show they show this flow

2996
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:03,520
chart which has the dia remote viewing

2997
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:05,199
program on the flow chart it is not

2998
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:07,600
declassified till 1995. they also have

2999
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:09,600
area 51 on that flowchart which would

3000
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:11,119
not become public until lazar went

3001
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:13,679
public the year after that so on on this

3002
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:16,400
thing you have this sort of material

3003
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:18,320
that's that's being released and the

3004
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:20,480
remote viewing program is very

3005
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:22,960
interesting in that jimmy carter talked

3006
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:24,800
about it now a lot of people will say

3007
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,320
because we don't have the documents like

3008
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,800
the the crash and the hard evidence it

3009
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:30,800
means nothing happened but what i always

3010
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:32,880
point out is the fact that we basically

3011
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:34,239
know that the remote viewing program

3012
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:37,199
took place and there's 80 000 documents

3013
01:51:40,149 --> 01:51:38,719
but there is nothing in the white house

3014
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:40,159
if you go to the white house files to

3015
01:51:44,149 --> 01:51:42,320
jimmy carter or reagan or any of these

3016
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:44,159
you will not find the word remote

3017
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:45,840
viewing you will not find any documents

3018
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:48,400
interesting i think briefings and yet

3019
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:50,159
you get jimmy carter if you look in his

3020
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:52,320
last book the white house diary or

3021
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:53,920
whatever he called it his diary he

3022
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:56,000
actually talks about being briefed by

3023
01:52:01,669 --> 01:51:59,440
stansfield turner on a crash in

3024
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:01,679
northern africa and he talks about the

3025
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:03,360
fact that there's a psychic he calls it

3026
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:06,480
a psychic is brought in and this uh

3027
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:08,800
woman identifies and he calls it a two

3028
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:11,119
engine plane he said the american

3029
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:12,639
intelligence officials were trying to

3030
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:14,639
recover this thing and they found the

3031
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,159
thing according to what the psychic had

3032
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,400
told and jimmy carter said this is the

3033
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:20,480
most dramatic thing that he'd seen in

3034
01:52:23,990 --> 01:52:22,239
his presidency he said it was it was

3035
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:24,000
hard to believe but the facts were

3036
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:26,000
undeniable that's what he said yeah we

3037
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:27,679
just had russell targon a couple of

3038
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:29,599
weeks ago and he gave us a nice uh

3039
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:31,599
little uh recounting of that particular

3040
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:34,000
incident and yet jimmy carter here's how

3041
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,239
you change the facts jimmy carter calls

3042
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:38,560
it a two engine plane and targ if you

3043
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:40,320
had him on he probably said it was a as

3044
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:44,320
a tu-22 tupolaf uh supersonic bomber

3045
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:46,800
that the russians had converted into an

3046
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:48,639
intelligence platform and they were

3047
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:50,800
flying it and this intelligence plane

3048
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:53,199
had gone down in northern africa and

3049
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:54,719
that's why the intelligence was

3050
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:56,639
scrambling to get it before the russians

3051
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:58,400
got it so when you hear

3052
01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:00,159
the remote people are telling but when

3053
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:02,000
jimmy carter tells the story he said it

3054
01:53:05,189 --> 01:53:04,080
was an american two-engine plane so

3055
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:05,199
that's why i'm saying that's how they

3056
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:06,639
change the story you fictionalize the

3057
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:08,560
story you put jimmy carter puts the

3058
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:10,320
story out but when you get into the

3059
01:53:13,109 --> 01:53:11,760
background the story is completely

3060
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:13,119
different it's something completely

3061
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:14,960
different happened the basic story is

3062
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:17,520
true but all the the facts are changed

3063
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,119
to protect the innocent plausible

3064
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:21,840
deniability yeah

3065
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:23,679
and that's what i say is going on and in

3066
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:25,360
the book we make this case and i say

3067
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:27,199
it's really dramatic that if you take a

3068
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:28,639
look at the eminence documentary in the

3069
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:30,480
1970s if you take a look at that ufo

3070
01:53:35,109 --> 01:53:32,880
cover up live in the 1980s if you look

3071
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:35,119
at the documents that have been dumped

3072
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:38,719
this dumping of this core story into the

3073
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:41,360
into the ufo community and we run around

3074
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:42,960
we can't confirm anything we tell the

3075
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,119
story it becomes basically our world

3076
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:47,520
view and you get a situation where now

3077
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:48,719
vast majority people believe there's

3078
01:53:52,470 --> 01:53:50,560
life in outer space 48 percent of people

3079
01:53:54,870 --> 01:53:52,480
believe that ufos are

3080
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,880
extraterrestrial type stuff and grant

3081
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:56,800
grant let me just stop you on the latter

3082
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:58,960
one the last survey i heard about the

3083
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:00,960
number of americans who believe in ufo

3084
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:03,040
reality of their spaceships whatever it

3085
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:04,800
was down to about a third of the people

3086
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:07,440
that was the one that was taken by

3087
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:10,400
the people who produced the ufo chasing

3088
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,320
ufos tv series

3089
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,639
last year they commissioned a new survey

3090
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:16,320
and i know if you go back to the earlier

3091
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:19,760
surveys in the early 2000s in the 1980s

3092
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:22,000
it was roughly half okay if you take a

3093
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:24,000
look at that and you take a look at dr

3094
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:25,840
victor stinger who is sort of that one

3095
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:26,960
of the high priest of the new atheist

3096
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:28,639
movement he's very upset about the fact

3097
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:30,239
that we teach the random theory of

3098
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:32,800
evolution in in school and only 16

3099
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:34,320
percent of people in the united states

3100
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:35,760
believe it according to him and he's

3101
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:37,440
very upset you want to write a book that

3102
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:39,280
says that there is no god and an

3103
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:41,199
evolution and you can't say there's

3104
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:43,199
evolution but still a god you have one

3105
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:45,599
or the other so this random theory of

3106
01:54:49,669 --> 01:54:47,440
evolution has got 16 we're still doing

3107
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,679
pretty good where there's 33 or 48. the

3108
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:51,679
idea is getting out there i like your

3109
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:54,080
way of thinking uh yeah it's three steps

3110
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:56,639
forward two steps back always yeah if

3111
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:58,320
you go to my website i have an article

3112
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:59,920
in my article section which is called

3113
01:55:03,589 --> 01:55:01,760
the 64 reasons why they've decided not

3114
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:03,599
to tell you the truth and what i say is

3115
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:05,360
there is actually if you look at it the

3116
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:07,440
other side and if you're the president

3117
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:09,679
and i look at why did jimmy carter flip

3118
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:11,599
why did gerald ford flip what did they

3119
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,639
tell him when he got into the white

3120
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:14,320
house and made him change teams and

3121
01:55:17,910 --> 01:55:15,440
decide we're going to cover this thing

3122
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:17,920
up you look at it there is actually

3123
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:19,440
fairly good reasons why they're covering

3124
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,280
nothing up that's why but they're they

3125
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:23,679
can't have people not knowing anything

3126
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:25,840
if this thing does get out of control

3127
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:27,520
and there is a crash they can't control

3128
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:29,360
or there's a document they can't control

3129
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:31,040
they've got to be able to have this sort

3130
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:32,800
of thing while we were saying this all

3131
01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:34,719
along you can't be stuck with total

3132
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:37,280
denial right it's like venting uh

3133
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:39,520
pressure out of a steam uh what do you

3134
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:40,960
call those things a pressure cooker it's

3135
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:42,560
like you gotta like lift the lid off

3136
01:55:45,669 --> 01:55:44,400
every now and then to let out some of

3137
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:45,679
the steam and

3138
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:47,040
and decrease the pressure well that

3139
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:48,639
leads me to a really good question from

3140
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:49,840
aldo poe

3141
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,119
again another poster at

3142
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:53,199
forum.theparacast.com

3143
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:56,000
is there any chance of a disclosure and

3144
01:56:00,629 --> 01:55:58,719
if so will it be spoon-fed gently or all

3145
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:00,639
at once um you know we've been talking

3146
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:03,119
about a gradual disclosure process that

3147
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:04,960
appears to be taking place here

3148
01:56:09,430 --> 01:56:07,360
but and is there any truth to the idea

3149
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:09,440
that one of the clandestine government

3150
01:56:14,310 --> 01:56:11,920
agencies has given a script to hollywood

3151
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:14,320
to get us used to the idea which leads

3152
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:16,239
us into a whole another realm of uh of

3153
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:18,239
thinking but what are your feelings

3154
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:20,400
about disclosure uh like get a sense

3155
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:21,520
that you think

3156
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:24,159
that we're being fed these these like

3157
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:26,880
bits of fictionalized facts and they're

3158
01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:28,880
constantly taking the pressure off the

3159
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:31,599
subject other countries are releasing

3160
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:33,840
data possibly to take pressure off the

3161
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,679
united states where do you come down on

3162
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:37,760
the whole disclosure question i don't

3163
01:56:41,589 --> 01:56:39,679
think there's going to be a a clean

3164
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:41,599
disclosure because you have to protect

3165
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:43,040
the classified material you're still

3166
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:44,960
working on the sort of the military

3167
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:48,000
hardware the weapon stuff that all the

3168
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:50,320
applied technology that's involved and

3169
01:56:53,030 --> 01:56:51,520
that's what they have to protect so

3170
01:56:55,510 --> 01:56:53,040
they're not going to

3171
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:55,520
sort of drop that the second reason i

3172
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:56,800
don't think it's gonna be disclosure is

3173
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:58,719
because you can't have the president put

3174
01:57:01,830 --> 01:57:00,080
in a position where he doesn't have the

3175
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:01,840
answers the president is the guy who

3176
01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:03,199
knows everything the economy is under

3177
01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:05,599
control we have everything's going great

3178
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:07,760
and if you have an open complete

3179
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:09,520
disclosure you can have the president

3180
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:10,800
standing up there and within five

3181
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:12,000
minutes somebody's gonna ask them the

3182
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:13,199
question mr president you're

3183
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:15,040
constitutionally responsible for the

3184
01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:16,400
protection of the american people it's

3185
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:17,840
been estimated that millions of people

3186
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:19,760
have been abducted by these aliens what

3187
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:21,840
are you doing to stop it and

3188
01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:23,119
has no idea we can't answer that

3189
01:57:26,310 --> 01:57:24,400
question what the president's going to

3190
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:26,320
say because we have to do this break

3191
01:57:31,070 --> 01:57:28,239
grant cameron joining gene and chris

3192
01:57:41,430 --> 01:57:31,080
you're in the paracast

3193
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:44,629
is there a secret ufo agenda do strange

3194
01:57:49,189 --> 01:57:46,719
creatures from the darkest corners of

3195
01:57:52,390 --> 01:57:49,199
the mind roam the earth is there

3196
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:52,400
evidence for mind control time travel or

3197
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:55,040
devious government conspiracies

3198
01:58:00,070 --> 01:57:57,119
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3199
01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:00,080
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3201
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3202
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:07,679
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3203
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3205
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3207
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3208
01:58:26,390 --> 01:58:21,599
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3209
01:58:28,390 --> 01:58:26,400
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3210
01:58:29,149 --> 01:58:28,400
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3211
01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:29,159
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3212
01:58:31,910 --> 01:58:30,719
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3213
01:58:35,230 --> 01:58:31,920
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3214
01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:35,240
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my guns i kept thinking what if my

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3250
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said that more than 85 percent of

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break-ins are through a door and the

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deadbolts alone don't stop intruders the

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all right grant so you're saying the

3298
02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:04,560
president probably would say he has no

3299
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:08,320
idea fast but then why even assume

3300
02:02:13,750 --> 02:02:11,199
why assume that disclosure if it happens

3301
02:02:15,589 --> 02:02:13,760
or a forced disclosure

3302
02:02:17,589 --> 02:02:15,599
would originate from the united states

3303
02:02:19,030 --> 02:02:17,599
and not in other countries can you could

3304
02:02:20,709 --> 02:02:19,040
do a question i'm not understanding the

3305
02:02:22,550 --> 02:02:20,719
question well nobody would believe it

3306
02:02:24,790 --> 02:02:22,560
gene well that's part of too but if we

3307
02:02:26,470 --> 02:02:24,800
had forced disclosure we think we always

3308
02:02:28,229 --> 02:02:26,480
think the president of the united states

3309
02:02:30,709 --> 02:02:28,239
gets out and he's going to reveal this

3310
02:02:32,950 --> 02:02:30,719
information but why assume it has to

3311
02:02:34,709 --> 02:02:32,960
come from the united states why not some

3312
02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:34,719
other country that has compelling

3313
02:02:39,589 --> 02:02:36,880
evidence and feels the need at this

3314
02:02:41,109 --> 02:02:39,599
point to make that revelation well like

3315
02:02:42,870 --> 02:02:41,119
the rumors that the chinese are going to

3316
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:42,880
divulge if there's uh structures on the

3317
02:02:46,550 --> 02:02:45,040
back side of the moon okay if you ever

3318
02:02:49,030 --> 02:02:46,560
interview scott jones you ask him about

3319
02:02:51,189 --> 02:02:49,040
talking to the chinese scott jones was

3320
02:02:53,189 --> 02:02:51,199
uh representative he was worked for

3321
02:02:55,189 --> 02:02:53,199
claiborne pal he did mostly

3322
02:02:56,470 --> 02:02:55,199
parapsychology stuff because claiborne

3323
02:02:59,109 --> 02:02:56,480
pell really wasn't at the interest in

3324
02:03:01,270 --> 02:02:59,119
ufos but he did ufos parapsychology type

3325
02:03:02,870 --> 02:03:01,280
stuff reporting at claiborne pal and he

3326
02:03:04,790 --> 02:03:02,880
would go around the world he went to the

3327
02:03:06,310 --> 02:03:04,800
russians he went to the chinese and

3328
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:06,320
scott told me that one of the problems

3329
02:03:09,430 --> 02:03:07,920
was when he was there is everybody

3330
02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:09,440
thought he was working on behalf of the

3331
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:11,520
the government that he he spoke for the

3332
02:03:14,629 --> 02:03:12,960
government and because that's the way

3333
02:03:16,870 --> 02:03:14,639
their system works if you're from their

3334
02:03:18,470 --> 02:03:16,880
government you're there's only one voice

3335
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:18,480
and he just said no i'm just working for

3336
02:03:21,510 --> 02:03:19,920
a senator i'm really not and nobody

3337
02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:21,520
would really believe him he asked the

3338
02:03:25,750 --> 02:03:23,520
chinese he said you know why don't you

3339
02:03:28,470 --> 02:03:25,760
disclose and i believe don't quote me

3340
02:03:30,550 --> 02:03:28,480
but i believe scott was told if and when

3341
02:03:31,830 --> 02:03:30,560
the americans disclose we will be a

3342
02:03:34,229 --> 02:03:31,840
close second

3343
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:34,239
so it seems to it seems to hinge on the

3344
02:03:37,030 --> 02:03:35,920
united states people will say that other

3345
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:37,040
governments are disclosing but they're

3346
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:38,560
not disclosing there's always been the

3347
02:03:41,189 --> 02:03:39,840
story about the canadians the british

3348
02:03:43,030 --> 02:03:41,199
they're not they're releasing exciting

3349
02:03:44,550 --> 02:03:43,040
files they're releasing the garbage

3350
02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:44,560
they're actually taking the pressure off

3351
02:03:49,350 --> 02:03:46,960
the united states basically would you

3352
02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:49,360
assume then that there is some kind of

3353
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:51,520
agreement maybe in the u.n not to

3354
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:56,870
they blocked it in the u.n with uh the

3355
02:04:01,189 --> 02:03:58,800
americans there if you go through the

3356
02:04:03,109 --> 02:04:01,199
eric gary story where gary was trying to

3357
02:04:04,790 --> 02:04:03,119
get it you you get all this uh and i'm

3358
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:04,800
not i haven't read it for a number of

3359
02:04:08,470 --> 02:04:06,239
years but you get all this stuff about

3360
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:08,480
the americans blocking uh the vote at

3361
02:04:12,310 --> 02:04:10,400
the u.n to get this outer space

3362
02:04:14,229 --> 02:04:12,320
committee that eric gary wanted it was

3363
02:04:17,189 --> 02:04:14,239
the americans that were behind that so

3364
02:04:19,030 --> 02:04:17,199
yeah i'm sure the americans have deals

3365
02:04:21,109 --> 02:04:19,040
when we asked dr eric walker at one

3366
02:04:24,229 --> 02:04:21,119
point we were asking him about you know

3367
02:04:25,750 --> 02:04:24,239
is is there still 12 people on 12. is it

3368
02:04:27,830 --> 02:04:25,760
all americans we were asking all that

3369
02:04:29,589 --> 02:04:27,840
and he basically seemed to confirm that

3370
02:04:31,109 --> 02:04:29,599
it was more than 12 and it wasn't all

3371
02:04:33,589 --> 02:04:31,119
american so there seems to be some sort

3372
02:04:34,390 --> 02:04:33,599
of international agreement

3373
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:34,400
to

3374
02:04:41,589 --> 02:04:39,040
them what about wasn't the u.n involved

3375
02:04:44,229 --> 02:04:41,599
in the grenada uh conference that uh

3376
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,239
valet uh uh helped spearhead with heinek

3377
02:04:49,189 --> 02:04:46,560
i think back in the 70s uh wasn't that

3378
02:04:51,109 --> 02:04:49,199
under some sort of uh u.n auspices yeah

3379
02:04:52,310 --> 02:04:51,119
but it wasn't enough it wasn't uh an

3380
02:04:53,750 --> 02:04:52,320
official thing the main thing that the

3381
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:53,760
americans were blocking was the vote

3382
02:04:57,589 --> 02:04:55,360
that they wanted to set up a committee

3383
02:04:59,109 --> 02:04:57,599
right so i was going to point out that

3384
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:59,119
the president of grenada who was very

3385
02:05:03,990 --> 02:05:01,360
progressive um at the time was the one

3386
02:05:06,709 --> 02:05:04,000
that uh agreed to host this and then i

3387
02:05:08,149 --> 02:05:06,719
think a short time later he was at the

3388
02:05:09,910 --> 02:05:08,159
u.n when he got overthrown he was

3389
02:05:12,149 --> 02:05:09,920
actually then he was overthrown right

3390
02:05:14,070 --> 02:05:12,159
yeah he was so doesn't that answer the

3391
02:05:16,550 --> 02:05:14,080
question of why he was overthrown yeah

3392
02:05:18,149 --> 02:05:16,560
so i mean it's a possibility i mean

3393
02:05:20,950 --> 02:05:18,159
there's a lot of

3394
02:05:22,870 --> 02:05:20,960
movements to keep this off any official

3395
02:05:25,270 --> 02:05:22,880
agenda and when it comes to other

3396
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:25,280
documents in other countries i i think

3397
02:05:28,390 --> 02:05:26,719
that they're not releasing them to take

3398
02:05:30,470 --> 02:05:28,400
pressure off the americans i'm thinking

3399
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:30,480
they're releasing them to get themselves

3400
02:05:33,830 --> 02:05:32,320
out like the british for example say

3401
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:33,840
we're going to release this because

3402
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:36,320
there's nothing to it and we're getting

3403
02:05:40,790 --> 02:05:38,880
out of the program you can't say we're

3404
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:40,800
not interested in ufos and we're not

3405
02:05:44,629 --> 02:05:42,960
studying ufos if it's known that you've

3406
02:05:45,990 --> 02:05:44,639
got documents so what they're doing is

3407
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:46,000
they're taking the same position as the

3408
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:48,639
americans did in 1969 is you dump all

3409
02:05:52,709 --> 02:05:51,199
the files all the the the citing files

3410
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:52,719
then you take the position that we're

3411
02:05:55,830 --> 02:05:54,159
not really involved there's no

3412
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:55,840
extraterrestrials visiting there's no

3413
02:05:59,910 --> 02:05:58,239
hard evidence and then you can research

3414
02:06:01,589 --> 02:05:59,920
in secret especially today with

3415
02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:01,599
computers you don't need to have people

3416
02:06:05,109 --> 02:06:03,520
on the ground you can basically as

3417
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:05,119
ronald pendolfi the top scientist the

3418
02:06:10,070 --> 02:06:07,599
cia said we cannot control the phenomena

3419
02:06:11,589 --> 02:06:10,080
so we watch the people in the field we

3420
02:06:13,189 --> 02:06:11,599
watch the researchers what's happening

3421
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:13,199
with them and they're basically just

3422
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:14,800
watching us because they really don't

3423
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:16,239
have any control over the phenomena

3424
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:17,599
that's what i think is very easy to

3425
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:18,960
research now you if you want to know

3426
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:21,040
like a feedback loop to me yeah if you

3427
02:06:24,390 --> 02:06:22,880
want to know abductions you can tap into

3428
02:06:26,149 --> 02:06:24,400
five computers you'll know all the

3429
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:26,159
latest abduction material that's out

3430
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,880
there who's being investigated all the

3431
02:06:32,310 --> 02:06:30,560
sighting stuff that's why i said to ufo

3432
02:06:33,589 --> 02:06:32,320
people i got into consciousness thing

3433
02:06:35,430 --> 02:06:33,599
and i said that when it comes down to

3434
02:06:37,030 --> 02:06:35,440
citing files we're just basically doing

3435
02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:37,040
the government's job for them and the

3436
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:38,800
sightings don't get you anywhere we've

3437
02:06:42,069 --> 02:06:40,880
we've run that course 40 years ago we're

3438
02:06:43,589 --> 02:06:42,079
not learning anything from sightings

3439
02:06:45,830 --> 02:06:43,599
you've got to get off sightings and and

3440
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:45,840
get into consciousness but in terms of

3441
02:06:48,229 --> 02:06:46,800
sightings

3442
02:06:50,310 --> 02:06:48,239
basically we're just following it for

3443
02:06:52,149 --> 02:06:50,320
them they can plug into your computer

3444
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:52,159
and nothing secret and you're just

3445
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:53,920
working for the government well that

3446
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:55,760
leads me to a whole list of other

3447
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:57,360
questions that i'm going to try to

3448
02:07:01,669 --> 02:06:59,599
synopsize here uh from

3449
02:07:06,149 --> 02:07:01,679
blabby boy and i guess we know why he

3450
02:07:10,470 --> 02:07:07,990
and this this gets into the whole idea

3451
02:07:12,310 --> 02:07:10,480
of informants and we kind of touched on

3452
02:07:14,229 --> 02:07:12,320
this a little bit with your uh

3453
02:07:16,390 --> 02:07:14,239
information about george knapp and how

3454
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:16,400
he had uh just these wonderful sources

3455
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:17,760
of information that came forward about

3456
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:21,199
area 51 uh before he broke the story but

3457
02:07:24,830 --> 02:07:23,280
do you get the impression that you

3458
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:24,840
in in one sense but but that

3459
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:27,280
investigators i i think in general are

3460
02:07:31,669 --> 02:07:28,880
just pawns in a bigger game of

3461
02:07:34,390 --> 02:07:31,679
disclosure absolutely and and how do you

3462
02:07:37,109 --> 02:07:34,400
verify that informants are who they say

3463
02:07:39,589 --> 02:07:37,119
they are without obviously um i'm

3464
02:07:41,109 --> 02:07:39,599
putting a little addendum here without

3465
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:41,119
spending copious amounts of time and

3466
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:43,679
money to uh to research them and have

3467
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:45,840
you ever been duped by an informant that

3468
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:47,760
you know of and what did you learn from

3469
02:07:51,669 --> 02:07:49,840
that duping process if anything very

3470
02:07:53,830 --> 02:07:51,679
good question let me sort of point this

3471
02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:53,840
out i have never and george knapp

3472
02:07:59,109 --> 02:07:56,719
confirms he has never been contacted by

3473
02:08:01,430 --> 02:07:59,119
an inside government source i'm kind of

3474
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:01,440
a special case because i'm actually not

3475
02:08:05,589 --> 02:08:03,760
an american so if you want to be

3476
02:08:07,510 --> 02:08:05,599
releasing classified material to a

3477
02:08:09,589 --> 02:08:07,520
non-american you're really in trouble i

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have never been contacted george knapp

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02:08:14,390 --> 02:08:12,079
has never been contacted by an inside

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whistleblower which begs the question

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len stringfield now i'm not sure whether

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it was 200 or 300 i have never been

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contacted by anybody who said that they

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were involved in an autopsy

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in a crash where they had bodies this

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sort of stuff directly someone

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02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:27,599
contacting me and yet you take a look at

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len stringfield had and i'm not sure if

3489
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:32,960
his 200 or 300 people came to him so why

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02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:35,760
does he have 200 to 300 coming to him

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02:08:39,910 --> 02:08:38,000
and i've got nobody it's almost as if

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they're sending all the people to len

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springfield another one is carrie

3494
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:43,599
cassidy i have never had a whistleblower

3495
02:08:47,750 --> 02:08:45,760
come to me carrie cassidy's got like a

3496
02:08:49,750 --> 02:08:47,760
hundred two hundred whatever she's got

3497
02:08:50,870 --> 02:08:49,760
so why are all the whistleblowers going

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to her well why are all the

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whistleblowers going to her why are all

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the crash the autopsy people going to

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land stringfield it's like they're

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feeding this story it's the same story

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that that i've been through before

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meme amplifiers basically is what you're

3505
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saying and they're being fed yeah so and

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like a lot of people say well you have

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to vet your stuff and you've got to have

3508
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it for more than one source that means

3509
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nothing because i mean so you get five

3510
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different government people you say okay

3511
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you go and tell them this story you go

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tell them this story the guy's got five

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different people coming from five

3514
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different agencies telling the same

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stories and he said look i've got it all

3516
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confirmed i've got five different

3517
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witnesses and they're all coming from

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the same source so it's a vicious sort

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of circle but it does indicate when you

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take a look at len stringfield and you

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look at the

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cary cassidy that this is some sort of

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controlled thing that they are actually

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feeding certain people a story that they

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want out aside from when stringfield is

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concerned i knew him slightly back in

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the 70s

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and had some pleasant conversations with

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him and talked about his research it's

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very sweet guy gene yeah really nice guy

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really nice guy as far as carrie cassidy

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is concerned well

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i don't take project serpo seriously i

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don't take much of anything she does

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seriously but that's just me i guess

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okay let me again okay you can answer

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the question on the other side okay all

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right good this is okay all right

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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

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[Music]

3644
02:15:00,870 --> 02:14:58,560
you see now listeners have come to

3645
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:00,880
digest what i said i don't take carrie

3646
02:15:05,830 --> 02:15:03,040
cassidy too seriously i think partly

3647
02:15:07,990 --> 02:15:05,840
because my interactions with her and

3648
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:08,000
of course the project serpo thing but

3649
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:10,159
obviously you disagree right grant

3650
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cameron right i i thought project circle

3651
02:15:17,109 --> 02:15:15,360
was the stupidest thing i'd ever read i

3652
02:15:18,870 --> 02:15:17,119
gave a lecture at congress there's a

3653
02:15:21,430 --> 02:15:18,880
number of years okay let me tell you

3654
02:15:22,870 --> 02:15:21,440
something it read to me as if it was

3655
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:22,880
written by

3656
02:15:29,030 --> 02:15:25,679
a teenager describing

3657
02:15:31,750 --> 02:15:29,040
a ufo kind of experience or this foreign

3658
02:15:34,310 --> 02:15:31,760
exchange program with e.t and this

3659
02:15:35,589 --> 02:15:34,320
dwelling on bathroom movements and stuff

3660
02:15:37,589 --> 02:15:35,599
like that i thought

3661
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:37,599
these are 11 year old kids writing this

3662
02:15:41,669 --> 02:15:40,719
stuff yeah exactly so we talked about at

3663
02:15:43,510 --> 02:15:41,679
the beginning of the show we talked

3664
02:15:46,229 --> 02:15:43,520
about disinformation you're familiar

3665
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:46,239
with the the pilkington's book what's it

3666
02:15:50,229 --> 02:15:48,159
called name

3667
02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:50,239
mirageman okay so he writes the book and

3668
02:15:53,910 --> 02:15:51,920
the basic premise of the book is this is

3669
02:15:55,830 --> 02:15:53,920
all disinformation it's just you know

3670
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:55,840
government games and this sort of stuff

3671
02:16:01,189 --> 02:15:57,199
in the interview i think it's about page

3672
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:01,199
235 you go there and he interviews dr

3673
02:16:05,750 --> 02:16:03,119
kit green who was before ronald

3674
02:16:07,589 --> 02:16:05,760
pandolfie the analyst at the cia who was

3675
02:16:08,709 --> 02:16:07,599
rumored to be the guy in control of the

3676
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ufo

3677
02:16:13,109 --> 02:16:11,199
files that he he was there when they see

3678
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:13,119
you know what he actually does uh he's a

3679
02:16:18,470 --> 02:16:14,880
medical doctor you know what a specialty

3680
02:16:19,510 --> 02:16:18,480
is he's a neuro surgeon yeah he helps

3681
02:16:22,310 --> 02:16:19,520
design

3682
02:16:24,870 --> 02:16:22,320
psychologically active uh psychotronic

3683
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uh warfare platforms based on my limited

3684
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:27,840
knowledge okay so in this interview and

3685
02:16:31,750 --> 02:16:29,360
i believe it's pilkington's interviewing

3686
02:16:34,070 --> 02:16:31,760
him and he's in detroit and he starts

3687
02:16:35,910 --> 02:16:34,080
talking about this whole thing and he

3688
02:16:37,990 --> 02:16:35,920
talks about serpo

3689
02:16:38,709 --> 02:16:38,000
and kit green says no

3690
02:16:40,549 --> 02:16:38,719
no

3691
02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:40,559
you don't throw it out and i'm going

3692
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:42,559
what the heck and you read the interview

3693
02:16:45,830 --> 02:16:44,080
i won't try to paraphrase it but

3694
02:16:47,990 --> 02:16:45,840
basically he's saying no don't discount

3695
02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:48,000
it and basically indicated that there

3696
02:16:51,750 --> 02:16:50,080
was classified material in there that

3697
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:51,760
there's there's some truth in it it's

3698
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:53,519
the same thing you've got the truth it's

3699
02:16:57,830 --> 02:16:55,519
surrounded by all this garbage type

3700
02:16:59,750 --> 02:16:57,840
stuff another thing happened was

3701
02:17:02,870 --> 02:16:59,760
i was in contact indirectly with help

3702
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:02,880
put off from time to time and eric davis

3703
02:17:06,709 --> 02:17:04,960
who works for him and at one point um

3704
02:17:09,190 --> 02:17:06,719
hell contacted me very rarely contacts

3705
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:09,200
me he asked me about the circle thing

3706
02:17:13,910 --> 02:17:11,920
and i really said was garbage and and

3707
02:17:15,589 --> 02:17:13,920
then i heard that he was he was watching

3708
02:17:17,349 --> 02:17:15,599
it that eric davis was saying oh you

3709
02:17:18,629 --> 02:17:17,359
know he's reading this stuff and why is

3710
02:17:19,990 --> 02:17:18,639
he wasting his time on this and i'm

3711
02:17:21,589 --> 02:17:20,000
thinking why would help put off be

3712
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:21,599
reading this stuff and why would kit

3713
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:22,880
green be taking this stuff seriously

3714
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:24,639
because they have this sort of

3715
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:26,399
background where they realize there's

3716
02:17:30,070 --> 02:17:28,240
some classified material in here and

3717
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:30,080
there's there's something to it and in

3718
02:17:33,990 --> 02:17:31,679
the book when you read the the mirage

3719
02:17:35,429 --> 02:17:34,000
men book the guy says he actually starts

3720
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to sweat he can't believe that kit

3721
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,880
green's actually saying this kind of

3722
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:38,880
stuff that he's sort of discounting this

3723
02:17:42,150 --> 02:17:40,559
and kit green actually describes in

3724
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:42,160
there and we quoted a couple of times in

3725
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:44,559
the book where kit green says what would

3726
02:17:48,150 --> 02:17:46,880
you do if you were facing this problem

3727
02:17:49,830 --> 02:17:48,160
sort of if you were the government what

3728
02:17:52,309 --> 02:17:49,840
would you do well you put out all these

3729
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:52,319
crazy stories about aliens eating your

3730
02:17:56,950 --> 02:17:54,800
kids and all this kind of stuff and then

3731
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when the story breaks the whole story

3732
02:18:00,230 --> 02:17:58,719
then comes down to it's just et's

3733
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visiting and everybody goes what the

3734
02:18:03,990 --> 02:18:02,160
white they're not eating our kids no no

3735
02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:04,000
it's just et's oh what's what's so big

3736
02:18:07,669 --> 02:18:05,760
about that and he's talking about this

3737
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:07,679
acclimatization thing and it's in the

3738
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:09,599
book it's in pilkington's book and you

3739
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:11,760
can see kit green actually describes

3740
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this hypothetical thing of the

3741
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possibility that we are being uh

3742
02:18:21,030 --> 02:18:19,359
desensitized to what's actually going on

3743
02:18:23,190 --> 02:18:21,040
and and he's a high level guy and kit

3744
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:23,200
green is not like if you take pandolphi

3745
02:18:27,110 --> 02:18:24,960
i mean he's he's always goofing around

3746
02:18:28,469 --> 02:18:27,120
or whatever or people kit green is

3747
02:18:29,830 --> 02:18:28,479
always like a straight shooter he says

3748
02:18:31,669 --> 02:18:29,840
when he you know if it's classified he

3749
02:18:35,669 --> 02:18:31,679
doesn't talk about it but he's not noted

3750
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:35,679
for putting out bs uh no or the

3751
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:37,519
one of the other enigmatic figures i

3752
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:40,080
think in this particular circle is dan

3753
02:18:44,790 --> 02:18:42,800
smith who is somebody that's always uh

3754
02:18:47,349 --> 02:18:44,800
intrigued me he's he's kind of like a

3755
02:18:48,549 --> 02:18:47,359
guy that comes across kind of goofy and

3756
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:48,559
new agey

3757
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:51,519
but he knows too many of the right wrong

3758
02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:52,399
people

3759
02:18:56,070 --> 02:18:53,760
and uh

3760
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:56,080
that's pretty much of the weirdest

3761
02:19:00,309 --> 02:18:58,719
sounding stuff that may be plausible so

3762
02:19:01,270 --> 02:19:00,319
and then that's my impression of what

3763
02:19:03,910 --> 02:19:01,280
goes on

3764
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:03,920
same as with with lazar you send it to

3765
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:06,000
john lear who nobody's going to believe

3766
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:08,319
and pandolfi and i've interviewed dan

3767
02:19:12,230 --> 02:19:10,559
smith a number of times i read his stuff

3768
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:12,240
everything i parsed every word that he

3769
02:19:16,709 --> 02:19:14,160
says he was

3770
02:19:18,629 --> 02:19:16,719
ronald pendolf's best man at his recent

3771
02:19:20,950 --> 02:19:18,639
wedding he's had a thousand

3772
02:19:22,549 --> 02:19:20,960
conversations

3773
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:22,559
if you're ronald pendolfi and you want

3774
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:25,120
something out you give it to dan smith

3775
02:19:28,150 --> 02:19:26,559
because everybody's gonna say oh dan

3776
02:19:30,230 --> 02:19:28,160
smith the guy gets kicked off boards

3777
02:19:31,349 --> 02:19:30,240
he's he's crazy guy and nobody's gonna

3778
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:31,359
believe him same as nobody's gonna

3779
02:19:34,870 --> 02:19:33,040
believe john lear so that's how about

3780
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:34,880
gordon novel there there's one for you

3781
02:19:39,509 --> 02:19:36,880
there's a name for you a good buddy of

3782
02:19:41,910 --> 02:19:39,519
uh all these uh before mentioned names

3783
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:41,920
yeah and and i talk about in the book i

3784
02:19:45,669 --> 02:19:44,160
have the potus briefing thing where

3785
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:45,679
he's running around he does an interview

3786
02:19:50,070 --> 02:19:48,080
with new realities with alan steinfeld

3787
02:19:52,950 --> 02:19:50,080
and in there he holds up this this

3788
02:19:55,110 --> 02:19:52,960
script that he has that he's trying to

3789
02:19:57,110 --> 02:19:55,120
get to stephen's field well he actually

3790
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:57,120
got development money i think uh to

3791
02:19:59,830 --> 02:19:58,720
develop it didn't he i'm not sure

3792
02:20:01,429 --> 02:19:59,840
whether he got the development but i

3793
02:20:03,270 --> 02:20:01,439
know he held this script up and i

3794
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:03,280
managed to get a copy of the script and

3795
02:20:07,590 --> 02:20:05,920
that the key is it was a it's a proposal

3796
02:20:10,230 --> 02:20:07,600
for a script to steven spielberg and if

3797
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:10,240
you listen to dan smith dan smith says

3798
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:12,880
that ronald pandolfi met with spielberg

3799
02:20:17,110 --> 02:20:15,280
twice so you take that and you can sort

3800
02:20:19,030 --> 02:20:17,120
of you know believe it just believe

3801
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:19,040
whatever you want so the whole thing was

3802
02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:21,280
he he has this thing on there and i say

3803
02:20:24,710 --> 02:20:22,479
everybody's sort of now talking about

3804
02:20:26,309 --> 02:20:24,720
it's a hoax government document nobody

3805
02:20:28,710 --> 02:20:26,319
said it was a government document all it

3806
02:20:30,870 --> 02:20:28,720
is is a script that robert the gord

3807
02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:30,880
novell was trying to get through and was

3808
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:33,760
called potus briefing and on the front

3809
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:35,920
cover and we see this interview he gets

3810
02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:37,359
really upset he says look at this i've

3811
02:20:40,469 --> 02:20:38,720
got the ci symbol i've got the white

3812
02:20:42,309 --> 02:20:40,479
house symbol on here and they're backing

3813
02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:42,319
this and he's got dr ronald pandolf's

3814
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:43,760
name on it and that was to me is the

3815
02:20:46,790 --> 02:20:45,200
most significant thing he's running

3816
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:46,800
around on interviews he's talking about

3817
02:20:50,870 --> 02:20:48,640
this and it's got pandolfie who's the

3818
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:50,880
top scientist at the caa got his name on

3819
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:54,000
the front of a disclosure proposal movie

3820
02:20:57,830 --> 02:20:56,479
to steven spielberg to me you have to

3821
02:20:59,429 --> 02:20:57,840
have some sort of government

3822
02:21:00,469 --> 02:20:59,439
authorization for him to be running

3823
02:21:02,469 --> 02:21:00,479
around there's no way they're going to

3824
02:21:04,469 --> 02:21:02,479
let novell run around with this script

3825
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:04,479
which i've now recovered which was

3826
02:21:09,990 --> 02:21:07,040
basically written by

3827
02:21:11,830 --> 02:21:10,000
dolan and jim mars who basically helped

3828
02:21:14,230 --> 02:21:11,840
him write the thing and then you get

3829
02:21:16,150 --> 02:21:14,240
really oh i had no idea oh that's

3830
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:16,160
interesting yeah and then the other

3831
02:21:19,990 --> 02:21:18,080
thing was a paragraph listener somebody

3832
02:21:21,510 --> 02:21:20,000
take a note of that one and and the

3833
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:21,520
other thing that interested me that sort

3834
02:21:26,630 --> 02:21:23,520
of it showed that there was

3835
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:26,640
cooperation from pen the cia was i'm

3836
02:21:29,270 --> 02:21:27,840
good friends with bob emeniger and

3837
02:21:30,550 --> 02:21:29,280
everybody knows that and i see him quite

3838
02:21:31,990 --> 02:21:30,560
often i go down there every year every

3839
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:32,000
second year and i'm talking to him and

3840
02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:33,920
all of a sudden he says to me says oh i

3841
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:35,680
got a phone call from ron pandolfi and i

3842
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:37,120
said you got a phone call from ron

3843
02:21:41,030 --> 02:21:39,439
pandolfi why would this guy cia be

3844
02:21:42,950 --> 02:21:41,040
phoning you you're not in ufos you've

3845
02:21:44,630 --> 02:21:42,960
been in ufos for years and he said oh it

3846
02:21:47,030 --> 02:21:44,640
had to do with gordon novell and gordon

3847
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:47,040
novell had this thing this uh you know

3848
02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:47,840
this

3849
02:21:52,230 --> 02:21:50,560
alien reproduction vehicle thing and i

3850
02:21:54,469 --> 02:21:52,240
had the diagrams and he wanted me to do

3851
02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:54,479
some pr for him and i sort of agreed to

3852
02:21:58,710 --> 02:21:56,319
this and i think it's all nonsense and

3853
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:58,720
well grant let's go ahead and kind of

3854
02:22:02,389 --> 02:22:00,800
backtrack a little bit here and i i

3855
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:02,399
should have qualified the name gordon

3856
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:04,640
novell or novel as i call him because

3857
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,920
everything he does seems like it's

3858
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:07,280
fiction

3859
02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:09,040
i mean this this is one of the more

3860
02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:10,960
enigmatic figures that's been skirting

3861
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:13,760
around the shadows of ufology and and

3862
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:16,560
and conspiracy uh circles for years and

3863
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,720
he died i think about a year ago yeah

3864
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:20,880
but very good friends with hal put off

3865
02:22:25,510 --> 02:22:23,600
and ron pandolfie but he's been rumored

3866
02:22:27,510 --> 02:22:25,520
as one of the shooters at the jfk

3867
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:27,520
assassination if you talk to someone

3868
02:22:31,830 --> 02:22:29,680
like ken thomas from steam shovel press

3869
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:31,840
he has a dossier on gordon novell

3870
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:34,399
that'll blow your mind i remember seeing

3871
02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:36,560
the sightings program about the the

3872
02:22:42,389 --> 02:22:39,680
black forest uh stan lee uh hauntings

3873
02:22:43,429 --> 02:22:42,399
and and et presents back in in the mid

3874
02:22:46,070 --> 02:22:43,439
90s

3875
02:22:50,550 --> 02:22:46,080
and uh this was a big case for a while

3876
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:50,560
uh in colorado and at one point stan

3877
02:22:56,309 --> 02:22:53,280
went out because he he he saw a prowler

3878
02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:56,319
and he he claims it was gordon a novell

3879
02:23:01,910 --> 02:22:58,800
who was up his telephone pole doing

3880
02:23:04,150 --> 02:23:01,920
something to his his telephone lines

3881
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:04,160
yeah i mean the guy the guy got around

3882
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:05,520
uh what do you think of the of

3883
02:23:09,190 --> 02:23:07,680
characters like this who well

3884
02:23:10,950 --> 02:23:09,200
they're that's that's the point they're

3885
02:23:12,710 --> 02:23:10,960
the characters that's who you release

3886
02:23:14,950 --> 02:23:12,720
the stuff to because nobody's gonna take

3887
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:14,960
them seriously you go to people like

3888
02:23:18,630 --> 02:23:17,040
lazar you go to dan smith you go to

3889
02:23:19,750 --> 02:23:18,640
novell if you want something important

3890
02:23:21,349 --> 02:23:19,760
because everybody's going to sort of

3891
02:23:23,190 --> 02:23:21,359
listen but they're not going to really

3892
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:23,200
take it seriously god it's gordon novell

3893
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:25,280
that's dan smith nobody really takes

3894
02:23:28,469 --> 02:23:26,960
that seriously and you're dropping stuff

3895
02:23:30,070 --> 02:23:28,479
into the into this

3896
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:30,080
into the ufo community through these

3897
02:23:34,790 --> 02:23:32,479
guys because it it gives you this

3898
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:34,800
plausible deniability thing and and just

3899
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:36,479
the the story is getting out whether

3900
02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:38,800
it's a phony document or a bad witness

3901
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:40,640
or or whatever it is you're getting the

3902
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:42,800
story out but you can you stop the milk

3903
02:23:46,230 --> 02:23:44,640
from spilling if you want the cover up

3904
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:46,240
to end if you really wanted something

3905
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:47,760
out there you'd go to the new york times

3906
02:23:50,550 --> 02:23:48,960
you go to the washington post it would

3907
02:23:52,630 --> 02:23:50,560
be out they're not doing that they're

3908
02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:52,640
doing this sort of a half half move and

3909
02:23:55,750 --> 02:23:54,560
that's why novell is so important and

3910
02:23:58,389 --> 02:23:55,760
and when it came do you think there's a

3911
02:24:00,150 --> 02:23:58,399
cabal let's say in hollywood that may be

3912
02:24:02,309 --> 02:24:00,160
part and parcel of this whole thing and

3913
02:24:04,790 --> 02:24:02,319
maybe complicit in some sort of program

3914
02:24:06,389 --> 02:24:04,800
of dissemination through the development

3915
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of co-development of scripts with the

3916
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intelligence agencies that sort of thing

3917
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you've been hearing this for years that

3918
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hollywood is involved in this gradual

3919
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disclosure process

3920
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now you're saying spielberg met with ron

3921
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pandolfi twice that's news to me i'll

3922
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[Music]

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02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:45,359
hi this is ted phillips listening to the

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02:28:52,940 --> 02:28:48,479
paracast and it's as good as it gets

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02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:55,990
[Music]

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02:29:00,070 --> 02:28:57,920
as you see ladies and gentlemen

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02:29:02,309 --> 02:29:00,080
this subject is so

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02:29:04,309 --> 02:29:02,319
complex you know just the sightings

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02:29:06,070 --> 02:29:04,319
themselves is probably the tip of the

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02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:06,080
iceberg because well you got to know the

4028
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:08,720
players and you have to know

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02:29:12,389 --> 02:29:10,160
and that's part of the problem of

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02:29:14,469 --> 02:29:12,399
getting disclosure is you need a

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02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:14,479
reporter who's going to spend a year on

4032
02:29:20,790 --> 02:29:16,720
it like a watergate thing investigation

4033
02:29:22,790 --> 02:29:20,800
and nobody inside the media has the time

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02:29:25,030 --> 02:29:22,800
to learn all the stuff that you need to

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02:29:26,469 --> 02:29:25,040
know and they got hands-on they have the

4036
02:29:28,469 --> 02:29:26,479
time they just can't do it because

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02:29:30,389 --> 02:29:28,479
nobody's gonna allow them to do it it's

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02:29:31,590 --> 02:29:30,399
all controlled yeah but they but they

4039
02:29:34,469 --> 02:29:31,600
still have to do their stories you

4040
02:29:36,630 --> 02:29:34,479
basically have uh like billy cox who's a

4041
02:29:37,349 --> 02:29:36,640
prime example he basically says

4042
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,359
his

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02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:39,840
editor tolerates what he does

4044
02:29:44,230 --> 02:29:42,240
but he really can never really grab onto

4045
02:29:46,230 --> 02:29:44,240
something he does a story it has to have

4046
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:46,240
a local angle because he's in florida

4047
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:47,520
unless he's got a local angle they don't

4048
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:48,960
want to run the story and there's all

4049
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:51,040
these sort of things where the three-day

4050
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:53,120
news cycle you got to do your next story

4051
02:29:57,429 --> 02:29:55,359
some some agency has to get really

4052
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:57,439
interested in it and realize that

4053
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:58,720
that they can make some money off this

4054
02:30:02,469 --> 02:30:01,280
or it's a big story most editors i i

4055
02:30:03,750 --> 02:30:02,479
don't think it's really the cover-up

4056
02:30:06,150 --> 02:30:03,760
it's just they couldn't care less they

4057
02:30:09,190 --> 02:30:06,160
just think it's you know

4058
02:30:11,110 --> 02:30:09,200
uh crazy stuff and it's it's the type of

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02:30:13,030 --> 02:30:11,120
thing splash in the pan it's just fodder

4060
02:30:14,630 --> 02:30:13,040
for uh let me give you let me give an

4061
02:30:16,870 --> 02:30:14,640
example this is a story that you know

4062
02:30:19,030 --> 02:30:16,880
the story about webster hubble was asked

4063
02:30:20,309 --> 02:30:19,040
by by bill clinton to go out and find

4064
02:30:22,710 --> 02:30:20,319
out the answer to two questions who

4065
02:30:25,429 --> 02:30:22,720
killed jfk and are there ufos and when i

4066
02:30:26,950 --> 02:30:25,439
filed for foia i filed for the the ufo

4067
02:30:28,950 --> 02:30:26,960
stuff and i got thousands of pages and

4068
02:30:30,309 --> 02:30:28,960
when i filed for the jfk assassination

4069
02:30:32,790 --> 02:30:30,319
stuff at the clinton library they got

4070
02:30:34,230 --> 02:30:32,800
seven and a half thousand pages so he

4071
02:30:36,870 --> 02:30:34,240
asked him to go out and do this kind of

4072
02:30:38,950 --> 02:30:36,880
stuff he puts it in his book 1997 book

4073
02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:38,960
friends in high places and deborah oren

4074
02:30:42,950 --> 02:30:41,280
who works for the new york post is the

4075
02:30:44,870 --> 02:30:42,960
woman who asked the questions the next

4076
02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:44,880
day at the news conference about this

4077
02:30:49,270 --> 02:30:46,720
hubble thing and she stands up and she

4078
02:30:51,270 --> 02:30:49,280
says is it true mr hubble said that

4079
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:51,280
clinton sent him out to look for the

4080
02:30:56,630 --> 02:30:54,000
answer to ufos is this true and he walks

4081
02:30:58,630 --> 02:30:56,640
around it with this live or this alien

4082
02:31:00,150 --> 02:30:58,640
thing about this uh weekly world news

4083
02:31:02,710 --> 02:31:00,160
have this alien so he said no we gave it

4084
02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:02,720
to the alien that was his job to do and

4085
02:31:06,230 --> 02:31:04,720
then she comes back she in his an

4086
02:31:07,830 --> 02:31:06,240
interview later she describes i come

4087
02:31:09,190 --> 02:31:07,840
back with a follow-up question and he

4088
02:31:11,030 --> 02:31:09,200
walks around it again he said i'm not

4089
02:31:13,190 --> 02:31:11,040
going to comment what private people

4090
02:31:16,150 --> 02:31:13,200
write in their personal books and she

4091
02:31:18,150 --> 02:31:16,160
said i sat there and waited for the rest

4092
02:31:20,150 --> 02:31:18,160
of the press white house press corps for

4093
02:31:22,790 --> 02:31:20,160
someone to follow up on my question and

4094
02:31:24,309 --> 02:31:22,800
they all rolled over and played dead

4095
02:31:25,590 --> 02:31:24,319
because they were afraid that they were

4096
02:31:27,429 --> 02:31:25,600
going to lose their white house press

4097
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:27,439
credentials nobody wanted to ask the

4098
02:31:31,030 --> 02:31:29,359
stupid question well maybe that is the

4099
02:31:34,469 --> 02:31:31,040
pressure right there that's it that's

4100
02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:34,479
the pressure to exert on those who

4101
02:31:37,750 --> 02:31:36,479
become white house correspondents the

4102
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:37,760
question usually goes to the junior

4103
02:31:41,030 --> 02:31:38,800
reporter

4104
02:31:43,510 --> 02:31:41,040
like lots of times when when i'm asked

4105
02:31:44,950 --> 02:31:43,520
you know by a network or something uh

4106
02:31:47,190 --> 02:31:44,960
you know you get the girl and she sounds

4107
02:31:48,630 --> 02:31:47,200
like she's about 23 or 24 and it's like

4108
02:31:50,710 --> 02:31:48,640
how do you get stuck with this story

4109
02:31:52,710 --> 02:31:50,720
it's it's like it's never the main guy

4110
02:31:54,630 --> 02:31:52,720
it's never a serious attempt it's

4111
02:31:56,309 --> 02:31:54,640
basically some junior reporter who got

4112
02:31:58,309 --> 02:31:56,319
stuck with the ufo story that nobody

4113
02:32:00,950 --> 02:31:58,319
else wants to do but part of it also is

4114
02:32:03,190 --> 02:32:00,960
here we no longer have investigative

4115
02:32:06,070 --> 02:32:03,200
reporters and investors exact journalism

4116
02:32:08,230 --> 02:32:06,080
even someone like bob woodward right now

4117
02:32:09,110 --> 02:32:08,240
other than appearing on political talk

4118
02:32:11,990 --> 02:32:09,120
shows

4119
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:12,000
he basically right now is just somebody

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02:32:15,750 --> 02:32:12,880
who

4121
02:32:17,190 --> 02:32:15,760
writes these personal puff pieces if

4122
02:32:19,510 --> 02:32:17,200
they give him enough information he's

4123
02:32:21,270 --> 02:32:19,520
not doing investigative reporting yeah

4124
02:32:23,190 --> 02:32:21,280
it's this three-day news cycle that that

4125
02:32:24,790 --> 02:32:23,200
we have that we can't break that

4126
02:32:26,950 --> 02:32:24,800
everybody's on to the next story and so

4127
02:32:29,990 --> 02:32:26,960
you get this sort of a little

4128
02:32:31,590 --> 02:32:30,000
blurb of a ufo story and it just dies

4129
02:32:33,590 --> 02:32:31,600
away yeah but it's the intensity of the

4130
02:32:36,070 --> 02:32:33,600
story now look at the events in the

4131
02:32:39,830 --> 02:32:36,080
movie day the earth stood still where

4132
02:32:40,870 --> 02:32:39,840
ufo lands in washington dc in this big

4133
02:32:44,150 --> 02:32:40,880
park

4134
02:32:46,790 --> 02:32:44,160
now if that happened in the real world

4135
02:32:48,630 --> 02:32:46,800
no three-day news cycle would stop that

4136
02:32:49,910 --> 02:32:48,640
it's too obvious it's too blatant but

4137
02:32:50,870 --> 02:32:49,920
let me give you another example

4138
02:32:52,230 --> 02:32:50,880
everybody always says to me you know

4139
02:32:53,910 --> 02:32:52,240
when the president stands up and says

4140
02:32:54,950 --> 02:32:53,920
this thing's for real then i'm going to

4141
02:32:57,429 --> 02:32:54,960
believe it

4142
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:57,439
june the 27th 1981 president ronald

4143
02:33:01,670 --> 02:32:59,520
reagan stood up and said it was for real

4144
02:33:03,270 --> 02:33:01,680
steven spielberg tells the story reagan

4145
02:33:05,190 --> 02:33:03,280
stands up at the end of the screening of

4146
02:33:07,750 --> 02:33:05,200
e.t the extraterrestrial at the white

4147
02:33:10,070 --> 02:33:07,760
house sandra day o'connor is in the room

4148
02:33:11,990 --> 02:33:10,080
the cia director is in the room bush is

4149
02:33:13,429 --> 02:33:12,000
in the room the nasa head of nassau is

4150
02:33:14,870 --> 02:33:13,439
in the room there's two astronauts in

4151
02:33:16,469 --> 02:33:14,880
the room there's 39 people in the room

4152
02:33:18,630 --> 02:33:16,479
reagan stands up and

4153
02:33:19,990 --> 02:33:18,640
spielberg's account says he looked

4154
02:33:21,750 --> 02:33:20,000
around the room like he was doing a head

4155
02:33:24,630 --> 02:33:21,760
count and he said we want to thank you

4156
02:33:25,910 --> 02:33:24,640
stephen for bringing the movie to us and

4157
02:33:27,510 --> 02:33:25,920
you should know that there are a number

4158
02:33:29,429 --> 02:33:27,520
of people in this room that know that

4159
02:33:30,230 --> 02:33:29,439
everything on that screen is absolutely

4160
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:30,240
true

4161
02:33:33,190 --> 02:33:31,439
the president stood up and said it was

4162
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:33,200
for real didn't go anywhere nobody

4163
02:33:36,550 --> 02:33:34,560
picked up on the story nobody did

4164
02:33:38,309 --> 02:33:36,560
anything steven spielberg said oh i

4165
02:33:40,469 --> 02:33:38,319
thought it was i thought he was joking

4166
02:33:42,630 --> 02:33:40,479
even though he wasn't smiling the story

4167
02:33:43,429 --> 02:33:42,640
just it just doesn't get any

4168
02:33:47,110 --> 02:33:43,439
any

4169
02:33:49,510 --> 02:33:47,120
things that you think are going to go

4170
02:33:51,590 --> 02:33:49,520
the medvedev thing with the soviet i

4171
02:33:53,030 --> 02:33:51,600
went after that story and everybody said

4172
02:33:54,230 --> 02:33:53,040
they got in this big argument is he

4173
02:33:55,990 --> 02:33:54,240
telling the truth he's not telling the

4174
02:33:57,349 --> 02:33:56,000
truth i said it's irrelevant let's get

4175
02:33:59,429 --> 02:33:57,359
to the bottom we've got to get to the

4176
02:34:01,830 --> 02:33:59,439
reporter i wrote a letter in russian to

4177
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:01,840
the reporter and i said why did you ask

4178
02:34:05,429 --> 02:34:03,920
the question because it indicated that

4179
02:34:07,030 --> 02:34:05,439
he had answered the question for her

4180
02:34:08,950 --> 02:34:07,040
before because he said for the last time

4181
02:34:10,389 --> 02:34:08,960
that's how he started the response and i

4182
02:34:12,710 --> 02:34:10,399
couldn't get her to respond but that's

4183
02:34:14,230 --> 02:34:12,720
what happens is we we get a story like

4184
02:34:15,990 --> 02:34:14,240
the prime minister of russia coming out

4185
02:34:17,830 --> 02:34:16,000
and saying yes we get briefed and

4186
02:34:19,670 --> 02:34:17,840
there's there's aliens among us and all

4187
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:19,680
this kind of stuff and it the story

4188
02:34:23,270 --> 02:34:21,120
doesn't go anywhere nobody picks up on

4189
02:34:25,349 --> 02:34:23,280
the story i try to get the reporter to

4190
02:34:27,110 --> 02:34:25,359
to answer and she's a top reporter for

4191
02:34:28,950 --> 02:34:27,120
the the private the biggest private

4192
02:34:30,389 --> 02:34:28,960
network in the in the soviet union she's

4193
02:34:32,070 --> 02:34:30,399
the top reporter so it wasn't the

4194
02:34:33,910 --> 02:34:32,080
low-level reporter asking the question

4195
02:34:35,429 --> 02:34:33,920
and the story just dies it doesn't go

4196
02:34:37,429 --> 02:34:35,439
anywhere i tried to revive the story i

4197
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:37,439
tried to do updates and nobody could

4198
02:34:40,790 --> 02:34:39,280
care less after the first day everybody

4199
02:34:42,830 --> 02:34:40,800
was on to the next ufo story and the

4200
02:34:45,750 --> 02:34:42,840
next thing what else is new that's what

4201
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:45,760
happens what else is new is we're almost

4202
02:34:49,510 --> 02:34:47,520
out of time we have a few more minutes

4203
02:34:50,469 --> 02:34:49,520
left chris are there any more questions

4204
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:50,479
left

4205
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:52,880
uh i think we pretty much covered the

4206
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:54,960
gamut i i was able to condense a lot of

4207
02:34:59,190 --> 02:34:56,880
questions into uh

4208
02:35:01,910 --> 02:34:59,200
a single question so

4209
02:35:04,469 --> 02:35:01,920
i think we're pretty good i i really

4210
02:35:07,030 --> 02:35:04,479
i was quite amazed that uh

4211
02:35:10,550 --> 02:35:07,040
med how do you say his name med

4212
02:35:15,110 --> 02:35:13,750
i mean it did have a resurgence when he

4213
02:35:16,790 --> 02:35:15,120
actually

4214
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:16,800
you know came forth with another

4215
02:35:19,429 --> 02:35:18,160
statement uh

4216
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:19,439
that was commenting about the first

4217
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:21,760
statement and and that to me was really

4218
02:35:24,950 --> 02:35:22,880
telling

4219
02:35:28,630 --> 02:35:24,960
the very fact that he would even bring

4220
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:30,309
i mean that denoted some seriousness

4221
02:35:34,870 --> 02:35:32,479
there i i think that there was a joke

4222
02:35:36,630 --> 02:35:34,880
obviously implied and it was couched in

4223
02:35:38,710 --> 02:35:36,640
a joke but i think i think he was

4224
02:35:40,550 --> 02:35:38,720
sending a signal there

4225
02:35:43,030 --> 02:35:40,560
yeah the encouraging thing about that is

4226
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:43,040
the the reporter that asked the question

4227
02:35:47,349 --> 02:35:45,680
um he refers to this men in black thing

4228
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:47,359
which was not the

4229
02:35:50,870 --> 02:35:48,640
hollywood doc

4230
02:35:53,590 --> 02:35:50,880
movie it was a documentary that that

4231
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:53,600
network p-e-n had done

4232
02:35:57,429 --> 02:35:55,840
in the soviet union on ufos it was

4233
02:36:01,270 --> 02:35:57,439
called men in black so that's what he's

4234
02:36:04,230 --> 02:36:01,280
referring to is the documentary and uh

4235
02:36:06,309 --> 02:36:04,240
um bruce mcabee had just described the

4236
02:36:09,270 --> 02:36:06,319
fact that he had been interviewed by the

4237
02:36:11,030 --> 02:36:09,280
same network for another ufo documentary

4238
02:36:12,950 --> 02:36:11,040
so what i'm hoping that happens is the

4239
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:12,960
reason they asked the question was for

4240
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:15,600
this new ufo documentary uh which i

4241
02:36:18,950 --> 02:36:17,120
don't know it'll be out but we'll see if

4242
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:18,960
there's another documentary and the the

4243
02:36:22,950 --> 02:36:20,960
network actually explains why they asked

4244
02:36:25,030 --> 02:36:22,960
a question and what the other question

4245
02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:25,040
was that they asked him

4246
02:36:28,630 --> 02:36:26,800
i think that there was uh some sort of

4247
02:36:30,309 --> 02:36:28,640
signal being sent maybe he'd been paid

4248
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:30,319
off by the production company to do a

4249
02:36:34,790 --> 02:36:33,280
little pre-publicity or something

4250
02:36:36,070 --> 02:36:34,800
i'm not sure but

4251
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:36,080
yeah it's interesting you bring up the

4252
02:36:41,510 --> 02:36:39,280
name bruce mcabee in in the acronym cia

4253
02:36:44,309 --> 02:36:41,520
in the same sentence uh there's been

4254
02:36:48,070 --> 02:36:44,319
been a little rumbling lately that uh

4255
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:48,080
that uh mr maccabees uh or dr mcabee uh

4256
02:36:51,990 --> 02:36:49,600
has

4257
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:52,000
had some long standing ties with the

4258
02:36:56,710 --> 02:36:53,680
intelligence services

4259
02:36:58,950 --> 02:36:56,720
and uh came in tempo and

4260
02:37:01,670 --> 02:36:58,960
some other uh

4261
02:37:03,990 --> 02:37:01,680
potential cutout organizations

4262
02:37:06,870 --> 02:37:04,000
it brings to mind the the conference in

4263
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:06,880
washington dc i think back in 87 where

4264
02:37:10,630 --> 02:37:08,640
the whole abduction thing really first

4265
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:10,640
burst uh forth on the

4266
02:37:14,389 --> 02:37:13,439
uh on the ufo logical community as as a

4267
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:14,399
major

4268
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:16,479
topic of discussion how that may have

4269
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been manipulated somewhat i you know i

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don't really grant we got to have you

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back for another show man we're just

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just giving it let me just deal with

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that macca because i think what you're

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talking what you're talking about that's

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what i said that there is this

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interaction

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between this weird desk at the cia this

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ufo desk uh he first got involved in 79

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and that was with kit green and kit

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green made this controversial statement

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to him that there was 15 000 pages of

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ufo documents when the cia was saying

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there was only a thousand and that sort

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of backfired and then ronald pendolfi

4285
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brought him in in 83 to speak at the cia

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and mcabee's statement was well it was

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at lunchtime and it was just a lecture

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whoever wanted to show up but there's

4289
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been all these incidents forever there's

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a story about dick hall having the the

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phone line put in by the cia and he was

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reporting reports to the cia through

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this same thing that he was funneling

4294
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this stuff that they're interacting and

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bill moore tells the story we repeat it

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in the book that bill moore tells a

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story about jaylen heineck that with the

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benowitz thing that jaylen heineck

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provided bennowitz with a computer i'll

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tell you what we gotta stop it there

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right now i've never heard that one i

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02:38:26,710 --> 02:38:24,479
love it oh we have this you know what he

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just gave us room for another show the

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book is called ufos area 51 and

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government informants grant you got a

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02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:33,680
site people can check out presidential

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02:38:38,710 --> 02:38:36,720
ufo.com very good and chris has our

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strange planet.com

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and we've got the powercast.com on

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twitter we are the paracast

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grand cameron thank you so much for

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02:38:52,830 --> 02:38:48,000
joining us on the powercast thanks for

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[Music]

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the powercast featuring jean steinberg

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and christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible

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incorporated